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Shii · 2003-12-01, 01:36

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Originally Posted by Thelastguardian

But you shouldn't bash someone who are doing subbing for free.

Read the damn thread... especially the post directly above yours.

Thelastguardian · 2003-12-01, 02:05

I read the posts above already.

From what i remember groups used to say "we sub to let all the anime-lovers to enjoy the show", I don't remember pride had anything to do with it.
Yes I know each group has its pride but objectively speaking its up to the watchers to decide if they like a group or not. Not you, me or anyone else. If they like the crappy subs fine let them be but don't say things like "I don't like because they put out crappy esp faster than anyone else and this bruise my pride"or they have bad attitude.(no flame intended)

Keitaro · 2003-12-01, 02:13

I think whats left of AJ should regroup and change their name because AJ name is ruined, they have a bad repuatation and anything they sub even if its good as the other fansubbing groups is going to be dismissed by ppl who have heard of their rep. Now that AJ is apperantly back from the grave I wonder if ppl will still dl their releases.

Tomomi · 2003-12-01, 02:21

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Originally Posted by Keitarou20

I think whats left of AJ should regroup and change their name because AJ name is ruined, they have a bad repuatation and anything they sub even if its good as the other fansubbing groups is going to be dismissed by ppl who have heard of their rep. Now that AJ is apperantly back from the grave I wonder if ppl will still dl their releases.

Yeah, man... After reading the info in the link, I will think twice before downloading their subs even though I used to be 'download whatever that has the most seeds' anime otaku.

I feel that a fansubber should have pride in what a fansubber is doing. Do it for fans and do what's right.

snoopy · 2003-12-01, 08:05

First of all, every group from the very beginning knew how to exploit the users and get a giant following of fools. It's not rocket science. But what kept anyone from doing it was the pride they had in their own releases, making things they'd feel proud to show to friends that don't know the language, then letting the leechers have them as a little secondary bonus. The fact that AJ defecated on that unwritten rule-book will haunt them for as long as they're still active, and people will be saying "Oh, he pulled an AJ, let's put his testicles in his eye sockets~" for years to come.

GipFace · 2003-12-01, 12:01

I still watched AJ sub series from time to time, and I am sorry to say that to a certain extent I find the old AJ's subbing are far superior to the new ones.

Most of the members that were with AJ in 2002 got fed up with Killshok and left to form XenonFansubs. They're a good group churning out things like PPY (although very slowly), so check their stuff out if you liked their old 2002 work.

stsaturn · 2003-12-05, 04:56

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Shii · 2003-12-05, 10:42

You shall be sorely missed. NOT

DekaMaster · 2003-12-05, 11:19

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Originally Posted by ashibaka

You shall be sorely missed. NOT

While I have no love for AJ,the mods here do seem to be pretty biased when it comes to some things. Not that that is a bad thing since this is not a news site.

snoopy · 2003-12-06, 03:39

I don't see the mods here saying anything that an informed fan wouldn't say. If they bash something, you can be pretty sure that those people/groups deserve to be bashed. I mean come on, it's not like animesuki is going around spreading lies or anything. In fact, I'm not even seeing any serious exageration of the truth going on.

stsaturn · 2003-12-06, 09:11

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snoopy

I don't see the mods here saying anything that an informed fan wouldn't say. If they bash something, you can be pretty sure that those people/groups deserve to be bashed. I mean come on, it's not like animesuki is going around spreading lies or anything. In fact, I'm not even seeing any serious exageration of the truth going on.

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1. (I don't see the mods here saying anything that an informed fan wouldn't say. )

I would consider myself generally well informed. I have been was very well informed of AJ's activities from March 18, 2003 untill about mid to late July. I understand why people dislike them but why is everyone so anal? People are sitting around on their computers downloading FREE anime from groups like AJ and then they are bashing groups like AJ.

2. (If they (they refering to AS I think) bash something, you can be pretty sure that those people/groups deserve to be bashed.)

Oh! What was I thinking. Yea your right Anime Suki should be able to bash AJ all they want I mean after all AJ is providing free fansubbed anime to Anime Suki for its patrons.

For Anime Suki's sake I hope snoopy is not a spoksperson

On a final note
People are trying to shut down programs like Bit Torrent and other file swapping applications where fansubbers post their work. Maybe we should stop bitching about the worst couple groups and show more support towards the groups we like. Snoopy might be too new to remember but a while ago a bunch of hating retards pissed off AJ (through posts on AS and IRC chat) so AJ threatened to not release an episode of Gundam Seed untill they got a retarded (like 50,000) number of people in their room. True AJ was stupid for the whole stunt but WTF is up with hating people that are working for free and giving you the option to download it for free. Its kinda like hating Jesus Christ because your a Buhdist (forgive my spelling) if it doesent concern you then leave it at that.

LordBrian · 2003-12-06, 12:38

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Oh! What was I thinking. Yea your right Anime Suki should be able to bash AJ all they want

You're absolutely right, glad you agree with someone who makes sense. After all, it's not like AnimeSuki is charging you anything to use their forums or their BT lists, so I'm not sure what right you would have criticizing their opinions. Unless, of course, you don't care about being seen as a hypocrite, in which case I completely understand.

Remember: just because something is free (AJ fansubs) doesn't mean we should want, or accept, them. At work, I'm supposed to sell people 3 free months of AOL with whatever they buy. You'd be surprised how many people tell me that they hate AOL with a passion, and that I couldn't pay them enough to take it. But it's free! Why in the world wouldn't they want it?!

Hmm. Maybe because people have opinions, and like to express them. Just a guess, though.

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Originally Posted by stsaturn

WTF is up with hating people that are working for free and giving you the option to download it for free. Its kinda like hating Jesus Christ because your a Buhdist (forgive my spelling) if it doesent concern you then leave it at that.

Or maybe it's kinda like hating Jesus-followers because you believe in Allah. You'd think that one would have nothing to do with the other, but that doesn't stop some people from taking action anyway.

getfresh · 2003-12-06, 12:56

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Originally Posted by LordBrian

At work, I'm supposed to sell people 3 free months of AOL with whatever they buy. You'd be surprised how many people tell me that they hate AOL with a passion, and that I couldn't pay them enough to take it. But it's free! Why in the world wouldn't they want it?!

o.O

What are you a telemarketer, or customer service? If your a telemarketer then your evil =p. But on the AJ subject, I agree with LordBrian and snoopy. If what's said is the truth it's not bashing or flaming IMO. All they are doing is showing their dislike and showing reasons behind their loathing of AJ. It's well known among fansubs and scanlators how much AJ sucks, and how they break every moral of fansubbing. If you want to see the difference just read what you thought was bashing again, and then go read the page that the link below directs you to.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...m=killshok&f=1

Now thats bashing =)

vio5555 · 2003-12-06, 17:09

I have to disagree with most of the things that ashibaka and tofusensei are saying here because from tofu's posts all he's shown is that he hated the facts that large amounts of people dled their fansubs. I hate to break it to you but the fact that "the dumb leechers like AJ" is a pretty weak reason for disliking them, look at the group that currently has the largest channel on mircx and you'll see quite a few licensed shows. Although they were very disrespectful to UV, its just as disrespectful for "what you'd consider to be good" groups to blatantly release licensed shows like Last Exile, Read or Die, Gungrave etc.

Infinitely worse is that you two take this "holier than thou" philosophy towards leechers and its annoying because there are people who dont understand japanese and cant tell the real differences between different versions, in fact, there might be literal differences between some fansubs but the meaning is still obtainable. I watched their gundam seed releases starting from the first ep and I managed to completely follow the series. Hence, these "dumb leechers" don't care as long as they get a fansub they can watch, so I dont see why you think the leechers are missing the director's point.

Plus, a lot of the time, leechers are people who have lives beyond anime. As long as the story makes sense, then I really dont care for the aesthetics that you might spend your pointless lives searching for like otakus. Enjoy the fansubs and if you dont like AJ just ignore them, but dont tell other people including leechers that they're stupid for watching other group's releases. In fact, thats all it comes down to, the fact that other fansubbers would prefer to have all of the leechers downloading their stuff so that it says 20000 completed dls in the bt stats.

Thats the same reason that self proclaimed otakus with refined anime tastes dislike Naruto because like you they would prefer for others to see things their way and watch shows they think are better.

But in the end it doesnt matter whose fansub you watch, you still get the same show, so here's props to AJ and Naruto for giving leechers what they want.

getfresh · 2003-12-06, 17:46

geez...

Why must someone always cry that fansubbers are tring to act "holier than thou" whenever we voice our opinions, but when you voice yours I guess it's not the same huh? If you wanna hang off of AJ's nuts all day then be my guest. And I personally could care less how many more DLs someone has then me, because it's not a competition. I just personally think killshoks a <colourful language removed> and after his comment that cause a fansubber subbed something they own it and thus can do whatever they want.

I bet you wanna say that I'm acting "holier than thou" too, huh? You sound like a broken record, singing the same old song that everyone else does when they get mad. I guess you all here haven't notice that not many fansubbers come here to post anymore. It's cause we can't say a damn thing without someone saying that we are tring to act better then everyone. So cry someone else a river will ya. You need find something else to acuse us of, cause this ones getting old quick. And if you compare what we, fansubbers A.K.A NORMAL <colourful language removed> FANS, write to your own little speeches, you'll that you communicate to us in the same manor we communicate to you. No ones trying to be above your paranoid ass. So heres your chance to say something more than the same tired old BS I hear from all you poor abused leechers whining about here.

Edit by Mod (NightWish): Please watch your language...

vio5555 · 2003-12-06, 18:00

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Originally Posted by getfresh

geez...

Why must someone always cry that fansubbers are tring to act "holier than thou" whenever we voice our opinions, but when you voice yours I guess it's not the same huh? If you wanna hang off of AJ's nuts all day then be my guest. And I personally could care less how many more DLs someone has then me, because it's not a competition. I just personally think killshoks a <snip>

I just wanted to know why every time he mentions the word leecher, he puts dumb in front of it, and apparently from some of his posts one would get the idea that he DOES care about the number of people who dl his releases, so why dont you read what he posted before giving me your dumb rant. Please, speak for yourself when you say you dont care about the number of people who visit your channel or dl your releases because obviously there are fansubbers who care.

Enragin_Angel · 2003-12-06, 19:32

Maybe they say dumb leecher because they don't want to say ALL leechers. Because that person knows that all leechers aren't dumb so he says dumb leecher. So, if you get offended when he says dumb leecher...then I guess you've identified yourself as a dumb leecher.

AnimeFangirl · 2003-12-06, 19:36

So if you get offended when you hear someone called a "nigger" then necessarily you've identified yourself as a "nigger?" Maybe it's a harsh example, but the fact that a derogatory term does not apply specifically to you does not make it any less impolite.

stsaturn · 2003-12-06, 23:56

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Oh! What was I thinking. Yea your right Anime Suki should be able to bash AJ all they want
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You're absolutely right, glad you agree with someone who makes sense. After all, it's not like AnimeSuki is charging you anything to use their forums or their BT lists, so I'm not sure what right you would have criticizing their opinions. Unless, of course, you don't care about being seen as a hypocrite, in which case I completely understand.

Remember: just because something is free (AJ fansubs) doesn't mean we should want, or accept, them. At work, I'm supposed to sell people 3 free months of AOL with whatever they buy. You'd be surprised how many people tell me that they hate AOL with a passion, and that I couldn't pay them enough to take it. But it's free! Why in the world wouldn't they want it?!

Hmm. Maybe because people have opinions, and like to express them. Just a guess, though.

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WTF is up with hating people that are working for free and giving you the option to download it for free. Its kinda like hating Jesus Christ because your a Buhdist (forgive my spelling) if it doesent concern you then leave it at that.
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Or maybe it's kinda like hating Jesus-followers because you believe in Allah. You'd think that one would have nothing to do with the other, but that doesn't stop some people from taking action anyway.
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14 posts including this one since burning board was taken out and Zero downloaded torrents from animesuki. yea I am a uber hypocrite. Not to mention I have donated to AS.

LordBrian
(Remember: just because something is free (AJ fansubs) doesn't mean we should want, or accept, them. At work, I'm supposed to sell people 3 free months of AOL with whatever they buy. You'd be surprised how many people tell me that they hate AOL with a passion, and that I couldn't pay them enough to take it. But it's free! Why in the world wouldn't they want it?!)

Maybe you should have Quoted my entire post. This doesent argue any point against me. I think you just hate your job and want to cry about it.

LordBrian
(Or maybe it's kinda like hating Jesus-followers because you believe in Allah. You'd think that one would have nothing to do with the other, but that doesn't stop some people from taking action anyway.)

But is it right? Are you saying you approve actios such as these?

JAppi · 2003-12-07, 01:22

It annoys me when people can't figure out how to use quote tags. [ quote=name ] asdgasdgsad [ /quote ]

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2003-12-01, 02:13	Link #83
Keitaro Kyuuketsuki Otaku Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somewhere in Hawaii	I think whats left of AJ should regroup and change their name because AJ name is ruined, they have a bad repuatation and anything they sub even if its good as the other fansubbing groups is going to be dismissed by ppl who have heard of their rep. Now that AJ is apperantly back from the grave I wonder if ppl will still dl their releases. __________________

2003-12-01, 12:01	Link #86
GipFace Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	Well ... I still watched AJ sub series from time to time, and I am sorry to say that to a certain extent I find the old AJ's subbing are far superior to the new ones. Most of the members that were with AJ in 2002 got fed up with Killshok and left to form XenonFansubs. They're a good group churning out things like PPY (although very slowly), so check their stuff out if you liked their old 2002 work.

2003-12-05, 10:42	Link #88
Shii Afflicted by the vanities Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fish-shape Paumanok Age: 36	You shall be sorely missed. NOT __________________ Learn to define and spell moé Shii (formerly known as ashibaka)

2003-12-06, 17:46	Link #95
getfresh done Fansubber Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Yokosuka, JP Age: 43	geez... Why must someone always cry that fansubbers are tring to act "holier than thou" whenever we voice our opinions, but when you voice yours I guess it's not the same huh? If you wanna hang off of AJ's nuts all day then be my guest. And I personally could care less how many more DLs someone has then me, because it's not a competition. I just personally think killshoks a <colourful language removed> and after his comment that cause a fansubber subbed something they own it and thus can do whatever they want. I bet you wanna say that I'm acting "holier than thou" too, huh? You sound like a broken record, singing the same old song that everyone else does when they get mad. I guess you all here haven't notice that not many fansubbers come here to post anymore. It's cause we can't say a damn thing without someone saying that we are tring to act better then everyone. So cry someone else a river will ya. You need find something else to acuse us of, cause this ones getting old quick. And if you compare what we, fansubbers A.K.A NORMAL <colourful language removed> FANS, write to your own little speeches, you'll that you communicate to us in the same manor we communicate to you. No ones trying to be above your paranoid ass. So heres your chance to say something more than the same tired old BS I hear from all you poor abused leechers whining about here. Edit by Mod (NightWish): Please watch your language... Last edited by NightWish; 2003-12-06 at 20:24.

2003-12-06, 19:36	Link #98
AnimeFangirl Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The dog gossips too much.	So if you get offended when you hear someone called a "nigger" then necessarily you've identified yourself as a "nigger?" Maybe it's a harsh example, but the fact that a derogatory term does not apply specifically to you does not make it any less impolite. __________________ Last edited by AnimeFangirl; 2003-12-07 at 01:17.

2003-12-01, 02:05	Link #82
Thelastguardian ... Join Date: Nov 2003	I read the posts above already. From what i remember groups used to say "we sub to let all the anime-lovers to enjoy the show", I don't remember pride had anything to do with it. Yes I know each group has its pride but objectively speaking its up to the watchers to decide if they like a group or not. Not you, me or anyone else. If they like the crappy subs fine let them be but don't say things like "I don't like because they put out crappy esp faster than anyone else and this bruise my pride"or they have bad attitude.(no flame intended)

2003-12-01, 08:05	Link #85
snoopy SnoopyCool.com Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 41	First of all, every group from the very beginning knew how to exploit the users and get a giant following of fools. It's not rocket science. But what kept anyone from doing it was the pride they had in their own releases, making things they'd feel proud to show to friends that don't know the language, then letting the leechers have them as a little secondary bonus. The fact that AJ defecated on that unwritten rule-book will haunt them for as long as they're still active, and people will be saying "Oh, he pulled an AJ, let's put his testicles in his eye sockets~" for years to come.

2003-12-06, 03:39	Link #90
snoopy SnoopyCool.com Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 41	I don't see the mods here saying anything that an informed fan wouldn't say. If they bash something, you can be pretty sure that those people/groups deserve to be bashed. I mean come on, it's not like animesuki is going around spreading lies or anything. In fact, I'm not even seeing any serious exageration of the truth going on.

2003-12-06, 09:11	Link #91
stsaturn Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Age: 40	Start Quote: snoopy I don't see the mods here saying anything that an informed fan wouldn't say. If they bash something, you can be pretty sure that those people/groups deserve to be bashed. I mean come on, it's not like animesuki is going around spreading lies or anything. In fact, I'm not even seeing any serious exageration of the truth going on. End Quote 1. (I don't see the mods here saying anything that an informed fan wouldn't say. ) I would consider myself generally well informed. I have been was very well informed of AJ's activities from March 18, 2003 untill about mid to late July. I understand why people dislike them but why is everyone so anal? People are sitting around on their computers downloading FREE anime from groups like AJ and then they are bashing groups like AJ. 2. (If they (they refering to AS I think) bash something, you can be pretty sure that those people/groups deserve to be bashed.) Oh! What was I thinking. Yea your right Anime Suki should be able to bash AJ all they want I mean after all AJ is providing free fansubbed anime to Anime Suki for its patrons. For Anime Suki's sake I hope snoopy is not a spoksperson On a final note People are trying to shut down programs like Bit Torrent and other file swapping applications where fansubbers post their work. Maybe we should stop bitching about the worst couple groups and show more support towards the groups we like. Snoopy might be too new to remember but a while ago a bunch of hating retards pissed off AJ (through posts on AS and IRC chat) so AJ threatened to not release an episode of Gundam Seed untill they got a retarded (like 50,000) number of people in their room. True AJ was stupid for the whole stunt but WTF is up with hating people that are working for free and giving you the option to download it for free. Its kinda like hating Jesus Christ because your a Buhdist (forgive my spelling) if it doesent concern you then leave it at that.

2003-12-06, 17:09	Link #94
vio5555 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	I have to disagree with most of the things that ashibaka and tofusensei are saying here because from tofu's posts all he's shown is that he hated the facts that large amounts of people dled their fansubs. I hate to break it to you but the fact that "the dumb leechers like AJ" is a pretty weak reason for disliking them, look at the group that currently has the largest channel on mircx and you'll see quite a few licensed shows. Although they were very disrespectful to UV, its just as disrespectful for "what you'd consider to be good" groups to blatantly release licensed shows like Last Exile, Read or Die, Gungrave etc. Infinitely worse is that you two take this "holier than thou" philosophy towards leechers and its annoying because there are people who dont understand japanese and cant tell the real differences between different versions, in fact, there might be literal differences between some fansubs but the meaning is still obtainable. I watched their gundam seed releases starting from the first ep and I managed to completely follow the series. Hence, these "dumb leechers" don't care as long as they get a fansub they can watch, so I dont see why you think the leechers are missing the director's point. Plus, a lot of the time, leechers are people who have lives beyond anime. As long as the story makes sense, then I really dont care for the aesthetics that you might spend your pointless lives searching for like otakus. Enjoy the fansubs and if you dont like AJ just ignore them, but dont tell other people including leechers that they're stupid for watching other group's releases. In fact, thats all it comes down to, the fact that other fansubbers would prefer to have all of the leechers downloading their stuff so that it says 20000 completed dls in the bt stats. Thats the same reason that self proclaimed otakus with refined anime tastes dislike Naruto because like you they would prefer for others to see things their way and watch shows they think are better. But in the end it doesnt matter whose fansub you watch, you still get the same show, so here's props to AJ and Naruto for giving leechers what they want.

2003-12-06, 19:32	Link #97
Enragin_Angel ナマケモノ Join Date: Jul 2003	Maybe they say dumb leecher because they don't want to say ALL leechers. Because that person knows that all leechers aren't dumb so he says dumb leecher. So, if you get offended when he says dumb leecher...then I guess you've identified yourself as a dumb leecher.

2003-12-06, 23:56	Link #99
stsaturn Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Age: 40	[Quote] Posted by LordBrian - Today at 11:38 Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by stsaturn Start Quote: Oh! What was I thinking. Yea your right Anime Suki should be able to bash AJ all they want -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You're absolutely right, glad you agree with someone who makes sense. After all, it's not like AnimeSuki is charging you anything to use their forums or their BT lists, so I'm not sure what right you would have criticizing their opinions. Unless, of course, you don't care about being seen as a hypocrite, in which case I completely understand. Remember: just because something is free (AJ fansubs) doesn't mean we should want, or accept, them. At work, I'm supposed to sell people 3 free months of AOL with whatever they buy. You'd be surprised how many people tell me that they hate AOL with a passion, and that I couldn't pay them enough to take it. But it's free! Why in the world wouldn't they want it?! Hmm. Maybe because people have opinions, and like to express them. Just a guess, though. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by stsaturn WTF is up with hating people that are working for free and giving you the option to download it for free. Its kinda like hating Jesus Christ because your a Buhdist (forgive my spelling) if it doesent concern you then leave it at that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Or maybe it's kinda like hating Jesus-followers because you believe in Allah. You'd think that one would have nothing to do with the other, but that doesn't stop some people from taking action anyway. [/ Quote] 14 posts including this one since burning board was taken out and Zero downloaded torrents from animesuki. yea I am a uber hypocrite. Not to mention I have donated to AS. LordBrian (Remember: just because something is free (AJ fansubs) doesn't mean we should want, or accept, them. At work, I'm supposed to sell people 3 free months of AOL with whatever they buy. You'd be surprised how many people tell me that they hate AOL with a passion, and that I couldn't pay them enough to take it. But it's free! Why in the world wouldn't they want it?!) Maybe you should have Quoted my entire post. This doesent argue any point against me. I think you just hate your job and want to cry about it. LordBrian (Or maybe it's kinda like hating Jesus-followers because you believe in Allah. You'd think that one would have nothing to do with the other, but that doesn't stop some people from taking action anyway.) But is it right? Are you saying you approve actios such as these?