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Flere821 · 2010-10-24, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I thought we should discuss some of the things the Author described about Touma in his latest afterword.

Spoiler for Vol 22 afterword:

That bit was pointing out Touma's opponents were all people that are like him, but they travelled different roads and ended up like how they were. For example, in Vol2 Afterword it was said Aureolus was based on how Touma might be like if he failed to protect Index.

Chaos2Frozen · 2010-10-25, 00:08

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Originally Posted by Flere821

That bit was pointing out Touma's opponents were all people that are like him, but they travelled different roads and ended up like how they were. For example, in Vol2 Afterword it was said Aureolus was based on how Touma might be like if he failed to protect Index.

Interesting...

So for Accelerator... Touma had a nasty childhood too, but he was lucky to have a family.

Miraluka · 2010-10-25, 08:05

If Accelerator had a family probably he would be like Touma, an overpowered version.

Hooves · 2010-10-25, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Wilfriback

If Accelerator had a family probably he would be like Touma, an overpowered version.

Accelerator wouldnt have Imagine Breaker to be that overpowered

but it would beat Touma by a bit anyway.

zeniselv · 2010-10-25, 23:42

touma without a family i pretty much think would be much different from hayate of hayate no gotoku.

outerelf · 2010-10-26, 09:34

Touma without a family I think would be locked up in some deep dark dungeon by the magical side, because you know very well that he would eventually be stumbled upon and taken off with.

Actually what I'm wonder now is why Aleister knows that Touma has the Imagine Breaker, and if he knows about the power resting within him sealed. If so... is part of Aleister's plans is to completely unseal the power within and get rid of the Imagine Breaker?

Suzuku · 2010-10-26, 14:53

Well, Aleister did say "If Deep Blood proves that Vampires exist, then what does Imagine Breaker prove?"

Divine witch · 2010-10-26, 15:32

Touma is just a show off...He already has enough girls around him
Less Touma more Aisa!

outerelf · 2010-10-26, 15:43

The Imagine Breaker proves that there is some way to counter magic and esper abilities. Right?

Seihai · 2010-10-26, 15:46

I'd prefer the word 'neglect' or 'nullify' to a certain extent, but yes you're correct.

Suzuku · 2010-10-26, 15:53

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Originally Posted by outerelf

The Imagine Breaker proves that there is some way to counter magic and esper abilities. Right?

The way Aleister was talking, he made it seem like he was referring to an existence rather than Imagine Breaker's power. He said specifically "If the existence of Deep Blood proves that Vampires exist, then what does the existence of Imagine Breaker prove?" queue shit eating grin. In this context, it seems like he's referring to the existence of something.

Deathscyther · 2010-10-26, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Suzuku

The way Aleister was talking, he made it seem like he was referring to an existence rather than Imagine Breaker's power. He said specifically "If the existence of Deep Blood proves that Vampires exist, then what does the existence of Imagine Breaker prove?" queue shit eating grin. In this context, it seems like he's referring to the existence of something.

He probably means 'God'.

Miraluka · 2010-10-26, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Suzuku

The way Aleister was talking, he made it seem like he was referring to an existence rather than Imagine Breaker's power. He said specifically "If the existence of Deep Blood proves that Vampires exist, then what does the existence of Imagine Breaker prove?" queue shit eating grin. In this context, it seems like he's referring to the existence of something.

At this point of the series I'm sure he mean the "invisible thing".

Vampire exists. Deep Blood is the proof because this power can kill them.
"Invisible thing" exists. Imagine Breaker is the proof because his real power can supress it.

reaper with no name · 2010-10-27, 08:19

In hindsight, it appears that the whole point of volume 2 was just to foreshadow Touma's secret power in as many ways as possible.

IppoTsuko · 2010-10-27, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Suzuku

The way Aleister was talking, he made it seem like he was referring to an existence rather than Imagine Breaker's power. He said specifically "If the existence of Deep Blood proves that Vampires exist, then what does the existence of Imagine Breaker prove?" queue shit eating grin. In this context, it seems like he's referring to the existence of something.

i think it proves the existence of magicians and espers cos it neglects their powers

~~I_am_Kami~~ · 2010-10-27, 14:42

Wait question on imagine breaker.

We know now for sure that it was toumas power that came up at the fight against aurreloues (not completely sure how to spell name) as the dragon and when the guillotines fell they were blocked by imagine breaker cuz u can hear the sound it makes when it negates attacks.

So the question is, when izzard shot the 10 knives at touma why did they go around him instead of dissapear?

outerelf · 2010-10-27, 14:50

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Originally Posted by I_am_Kami

Wait question on imagine breaker.

We know now for sure that it was toumas power that came up at the fight against aurreloues (not completely sure how to spell name) as the dragon and when the guillotines fell they were blocked by imagine breaker cuz u can hear the sound it makes when it negates attacks.

So the question is, when izzard shot the 10 knives at touma why did they go around him instead of dissapear?

At that point, Izzard was panicking- for the magic to work, he had to have a clear mind. Which he did not have between the fear of what the right arm was, and Touma's refusal to stay down.

Of course, it could be that the power of the dragon batted it away. It's a little uncertain.

Suzuku · 2010-10-27, 15:27

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Originally Posted by IppoTsuko

i think it proves the existence of magicians and espers cos it neglects their powers

Um, no, because it was already a fact that magicians and espers existed. There was no reason for Aleister, who already know of both, would say Imagine Breaker proves the existence of supernatural powers.

zeniselv · 2010-10-27, 15:27

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Originally Posted by IppoTsuko

i think it proves the existence of magicians and espers cos it neglects their powers

also imagine breaker seems to attract espers magicians, but maybe aleister was refering that imagine breaker proves that something, they dont know/have seen exist like in the case of vampires( unless vassilia turn out to be one).

shmaster · 2010-10-27, 23:55

I believe IB proves the existence of something the defies the boundary between boundary and imagination.
Aleister refers IB as the Central Point Zero, the point that determines what is natural and what is not, what is real and what is surreal.
If IB is something the distinguishes the two, there has to be something that blends the two together.

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Divine witch Yes,Captain Vocabulary. Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Cardbox	Touma is just a show off...He already has enough girls around him Less Touma more Aisa!

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shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	I believe IB proves the existence of something the defies the boundary between boundary and imagination. Aleister refers IB as the Central Point Zero, the point that determines what is natural and what is not, what is real and what is surreal. If IB is something the distinguishes the two, there has to be something that blends the two together.