(L) Kaze no Stigma

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by lightbringer

That's so totally first episode... it's completely different later on. She's not expecting to damage Kazuma with Enraiha at all in episode seven, and the "killing intent" is only to have a chance of lasting a bit longer against Kazuma, the way I see it.

She still annoys me, even to episode 7. So it's not JUST first episode jitters.

I don't think I'll ever truely care for her character. First impressions stay in some people's minds whether you like to realize that or not.

[TigerII]

I still don't love her but I don't despise her.

[Honey_and_Cleaver]

I think Kazuma is just after the bastard who killed his previous lover. He doesnt show it infront of Misao, he just let her off, but i think he knows who his true enemy is. For what reason should he return to japan. He might be putting his life on the line to avenge.

[Darknemo2000]

Justinstrife - the fact that she still annoys you might have something to do with your own biased opinion on the character and not with an (un)developing character of Anyano. I think the one who dont instantly think that she is the worst - might be able to see progress (though very slow) in her...

But as you said, it is your first impression, and I guess there is nothing to do about it. You would keep on thinking that she is bad no matter how things turn out.

[Honey_and_Cleaver]

Ayano might be the female version of Shin Asuka from GSD. Shes got a whiny voice sometimes and she handles the sword like Destiny.

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Honey_and_Cleaver

I think Kazuma is just after the bastard who killed his previous lover. He doesnt show it infront of Misao, he just let her off, but i think he knows who his true enemy is. For what reason should he return to japan. He might be putting his life on the line to avenge.

yep its clear as day who he is after...but the guy who showed up before misao was beyond his calculations which caused unnecessary casualties ~ he never wanted to hurt misao and this is just repaying his debt to her back when he was bullied while she protected him...kazuma knows how much the word "family" means to misao and i bet hes also feeling the pain inside for causing harm to misao...but what done is done frankly >__<

and ive never hated ayano...and by now im used to her temperament

[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by justinstrife

She still annoys me, even to episode 7. So it's not JUST first episode jitters.

I don't think I'll ever truely care for her character. First impressions stay in some people's minds whether you like to realize that or not.

What I'm taking issue with is the "omg my Enraiha will destroy you!" thing, which is plainly no longer the case past episode 3 or so...

Of course first impressions are strongest, but you shouldn't let that get in the way of character growth, or we would never have any interesting fiction. Daenerys didn't start out as a confident, charismatic commander, either 8-D

[usagijen]

It's not realistic to have a character that would already have the ideal qualities you want right from the start.

Character developments is one of criterias for a good show in my opinion, especially seeing how the character grows on you as the show progresses. First impressions will indeed cause a great impact in how perceive the character, but that shouldn't hinder you from accepting the possibility that character will change for the better, contrary to this 'first impression'.

The 'first impression' will indeed stay in people's minds... but seeing how the character changed from this 'first impression' you had of him / her just makes you all the more see the developments the character has undergone, and hopefully, make you realize that there's more to the character than this 'first impression' (that he / she turned out to be better than you first thought he / she was)

[Darknemo2000]

Indeed development is one of the points that makes anime good or bad...If anime is bad - the development will be non-existant, or like in Dragonball's case - new techniques learning, but that doesnt count as development really...

First impression tend to e misleading sometimes too. Lets say Asuka from Efvangelion give's not so very nice impression of herself, but as the story progress you start to understand her or even like her, for her siufferings.

In bad anime the first impression is what character in general will be. His growth will be zero or only very few shallow slip up moments like for Kamina in Gurren-Lagann, whom I count as an example of a bad developed character, despite that he has some issues with the past.

Sometimes characters feel alive, yet sometimes they feel like being cut out from cradboard or something, and this depends on characters development.

aayano seems to develop the most for now, and actually she NEEDS it the msot from all characters as well. But I have no doubt taht we will see more of Kazuma's character development (with the help of Ayano) as he still has issues with his past and shwing care for poeple that are important to him (Ren, Ayano).

[justinstrife]

Meh. You guys won't understand. You can defend her all you want. If it makes you happy shoot for it. But you're not going to change my mind. She's the only one capable of doing that, and so far she has failed in spades after 7 episodes. There's still 19 to go however.

Lets just say I lost my patience with characters like hers around the time I hit your ages. The last 4-6 years have just sealed it. I didn't like Naru in Love Hina, I didn't like Shinji from Evangelion, and I certainly didn't like Shinn Asuka from Gundam Seed Destiny. I could name off a few other characters with annoying personalities to me, but frankly we're on opposite sides of the argument, so we might as well just drop it and continue watching the show.

[PerseiD999]

Justin strife just doesn’t like this type of girl, that’s all, nothing particularly against the character. Besides, even with the character development taken into account, I seriously doubt Ayano’s temper will cool off by the end of the show, lol

That’s just a family trait*, anger is the key to synchronise with the Fire Spirit, no anger no fire…If one day (most likely this day will never come) she can truly keep her anger in check she will be able to keep her flame in perfect control.
* Don’t be fooled by her father’s calm demeanour, Soushu’s even worse when he let his anger slip.

Personally I prefer her current operating mode, Kazuma’s obviously having a lot of fun fanning the flames, no need to mention the whole show will become deadly boring (just for me) without a burning Ayano..

[FlareKnight]

I know some people may not like Ayano that much but....Shin, there's only so much you can insult a character. Seriously I don't think anyone like Shinn so it's not a valid comparison. Anyways if Ayano was the same person she was back in episode 1 then I'd completely agree with the criticism. She's still got a ways to go, but she's moving on and with 19 episodes left I think she'll be good.

I'm willing to cut her some slack because I can see that she will develop into a better character. As long as characters actually develop then I can put up with the initial issues in their personality. Even Kazuma should get through all that's happened in the past and start caring a bit more about more than those close to him.

I'm sure we could go a long stretch just on all this. But probably for the best to focus on the show and now changing people's opinions on characters. That really only works if it's either the best argument ever or some sort of mind control.

[TigerII]

I just got an idea of how it could end. Kazume finally shows concern for the greater population and sacrafices himself to protect innocents. Like jumps in front of something about to wipe out a city. That would be a 180 in his character.

[Skyfall]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

. Seriously I don't think anyone like Shinn

*emerges from the depths of twisting nether to deliver an off-topic comment*

Wrong! I like Shinn. If anything else, he is one of the most human-like characters in GSD. The one creature i hate from that show is Kira.

*opens a space-time rift and disappears in to the darkness*


As for Ayano - i don't find her annoying... never did in the 1st place. Sure, she might have a short temper, but it is Kazuma who sets it off most of the time. I think she is cute, and i hope she remains this way more or less ... without it, there wouldn't be the spunky Kazuma - Ayano interactions, and without them this show has little going for it

[Darknemo2000]

Yeah, it all comes down to the ones we like and the ones we dont... And it doesnt matter how wellprepared arguments would be its always a discussion about taste, and that is one pointless discussion.

Though there are some poeple who are more biased than others, following blindly first impressions no matter what.

I would also agree that reducing Ayano's flame would take quite a bit from the show, yet she still needs to grow up. And growing up doesnt really mean becoming cooler or more mellow, she might just relate to others better and be more aware of thethings around her.

P.S. On the side note - I think it takes great maturity to like such characters as Shinji from Evangelion..Usually immature poeple who are rushing with their judgements scream how terrible and wimpy he is, and fail to notice that behind their narcisstic self-image (that would be opposite to Shinji) they are Shinji's for the bigger time they spend in social interaction.

Yeah, Shinji was bit extreme, but still the siilarities between his actions and our ordinary social life is quite striking. I think it needs quite a bit of maturity to be able admit it and some introspection to notice and to connect to that, in many ways....

[Renegade334]

KnS ep08 thread on 2chan:

Spoiler for 2chan thread link:

Remember the rules beneath.

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[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by justinstrife

Meh. You guys won't understand. You can defend her all you want. If it makes you happy shoot for it. But you're not going to change my mind. She's the only one capable of doing that, and so far she has failed in spades after 7 episodes. There's still 19 to go however.

Lets just say I lost my patience with characters like hers around the time I hit your ages. The last 4-6 years have just sealed it. I didn't like Naru in Love Hina, I didn't like Shinji from Evangelion, and I certainly didn't like Shinn Asuka from Gundam Seed Destiny. I could name off a few other characters with annoying personalities to me, but frankly we're on opposite sides of the argument, so we might as well just drop it and continue watching the show.

Haha, c'mon man, the "moral high ground due to age difference" argument is so pre-school... Anyway, we're not even defending her, but character growth in general (yes, I know this is something that rarely happens in anime, but that's not the point) and I didn't really care to change your mind about it either, so I wonder if you actually read the text instead of pulling the "you just won't understand... *sniff*" line Stating your opinion is fine, but don't go looking down on others too much - it won't make you look mature, which means people will stop taking you seriously. That's not something you're trying to achieve, right?

As for Naru, Shinn, and Shinji, those are prime examples of zero character growth. Well, in Shinji's case, there might even be negative character growth -_-

Anyway, looks like

Spoiler for ep 8:

there is finally a thing Ayano is good for: a portable fireplace.


Oh, and looks like next episode kicks off volume 3... at last.

[LKK]

Spoiler for episode 8 screencaps:

Do my eyes deceive me or is Ren finally wearing something different? Have the animators finally given one of the characters a change of clothes? But why only Ren? Why not the others? Why not Kazuma who is under no obligation to wear a school uniform 24/7 like the girls apparently are?

Thank you for sharing the screencaps, Renegade334!

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

I would also agree that reducing Ayano's flame would take quite a bit from the show, yet she still needs to grow up. And growing up doesnt really mean becoming cooler or more mellow, she might just relate to others better and be more aware of thethings around her.

oh she will grow up...but that doesnt mean that her flame is reduced...it just means that it will take more that some cheap words to set her off again

ep 8 screen caps ~

Spoiler:

my my fanservice



and what does faries have to do with all this? O.o



preview pic...omg ponytail!

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

Spoiler:

and what does faries have to do with all this? O.o

Gah...I just had flashes from La Corda after clicking that XD The screens look interesting needless to say