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Perfect 10 | 55 | 43.65% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 39 | 30.95% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 17.46% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 5.56% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.79% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.79% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.79% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-05-13, 10:29 | Link #101 |
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Thanks for the explanation.
However, in the anime, the launch location is well within sight of land (See 17:33) and normal (i.e. non-ghoul) bees can fly for several kilometers, not accounting for wind speed and direction. Also, it struck me as strange that Kiritsugu would cause the deliberate break-up of the plane at low altitude in order to increase the likelihood that all the bees are eliminated. But then again, this all takes place in a world with magic, so I'm not going to worry too much if the laws of biology, aviation, weather, etc. of our world don't totally seem to be in sync with the world depicted in Fate/Zero. Last edited by Upscaled; 2012-05-13 at 10:32. Reason: clarification |
2012-05-13, 11:37 | Link #102 |
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oops Kerry did it again, feel weird watching this eps on mother's day...
another powerful eps, all the built-up and dialogs that lead to the ending are done very well, i am guessing Natalia knew exactly what Kiritsugu will do but she just held on to her own prinsip of "staying alive as priority" and conveyed her feelings to him during the final moments
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2012-05-13, 11:41 | Link #103 | |
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The main point of this backstory is to flesh out the motivations of Kiritsugu, and establish that he will destroy what he loves if it means it will save lives. Letting the audience know this (and driving home the point that this is important by allotting two episodes to it) also means that the show intends to make use of this information in the main plot. As a prequel, the story already has a predetermined ending so there's no real need to obfuscate the events to come. Attentive watchers can probably already determine the consequences Kiritsugu's motivations will have in the main story, and from this point we very much know the motivations and personality of everyone involved in this war. My belief is that we can now go full speed on the rest of the war, without having to stop and explain why somebody did something or acted in a particular way. |
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2012-05-13, 12:02 | Link #104 |
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At least Natalia died happy knowing Kiritsugu would become a "worthy" son of hers.
Although if I were Kiritsugu I would probably plant a ton of explosives in an isolated place, rescue Natalia then blow up the entire area. Although there is still a chance of those bees leaking so blowing the plane up while it is still midair with fuel left would be the safer solution. Kiritisugu has some pretty amazing connections to be able to secure an RPG in such a short period of time :O. Kiritsugu is quite the tragic hero: fated to lose all his close ones for his whole life (and we know there is more to come). |
2012-05-13, 12:25 | Link #105 |
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Strange, I still don't like Kiritsugu (atleast not the one of F/Z's "present"), but this episode was damn good and emotional. Hope they will make a Hearts of Freaks OVA now after the second BD box is out.
Not sure if Natalia knew he was going to shot, although I think she atleast anticipated it. But somehow I find those death scenes in which the dying ones are happy for a moment much sadder than usual ones where the character dies surprisingly or while beeing sad. Don't really know why, though. |
2012-05-13, 13:22 | Link #107 | |
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2012-05-13, 14:14 | Link #109 | |
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What makes the plan even less plausible is the fact Natalia doesn't have any experience with airbus, but a Cessna, which is in a complete different league.He is a magus who turned himself into a DA.
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2012-05-13, 16:09 | Link #112 |
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he didn't even to take out the stinger for me to realize it it made it more dramatic that he probably spent all the time with Natalia wanting redemption for his failure on the island. that kind of tragic hero is what keeps me watching shows like this. and now his actions previously in the series make even more sense to me than before.
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2012-05-13, 16:17 | Link #113 | |
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In my opinion she smiled because she judged his character correctly, choosing the option with less victims over a single person's life.
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2012-05-13, 16:46 | Link #114 |
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That would be a bit too problematic in term of chronological order, especially it would be nonsensical for Tokiomi to form alliance with the Einsberg if Lancer was still alive. And if the alliance didn't occur, Kirei's betrayal would require a drastic change of settings to make it happen.
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2012-05-13, 17:11 | Link #115 | |
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No he is a Dead Apostle Magus. Quote from UTW - "Great script this week. The only real criticism I have is that nico failed to include the fact that Vorak was a Dead Apostle in one of the lines." They have the best subs for Fate/Zero, I suggest you use them. |
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2012-05-13, 17:37 | Link #116 |
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That final monologue.. what an.. unexpected time from a directorial perspective to start being worried that a character's motivation might be too obtuse for the audience. It was still good, but I don't think it could have been any easier to read what was happening and why. And I say that as someone whose most enduring criticism of this series has been how difficult it's been for me as an anime-only viewer to keep track of and relate to the various motivations of F/Z's clown-car cast.
I really have nothing negative to say about the episode, Kiritsugu's sledgehammer-soliloquy didn't ruin the scene in any way. It still worked nicely, I just wasn't expecting it. The past two episodes had been fastidiously equipping us to comprehend Kiritsugu's thought process at that moment, or so I thought. |
2012-05-13, 17:47 | Link #117 | |
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Was this the incident which Tokiomi /Kirei referred to about Kiritsugu having blown up a plane with passengers on board to kill just one magus?
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2012-05-13, 17:47 | Link #118 |
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At least they got the screaming right. One of the biggest things that annoy me is how characters always scream in grief whenever someone dies. But here it was spot on. Kiritsugu's VA did a brilliant job.
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