One Piece - Chapter 537 [Manga]

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata

PS Been a while since Luffy last looked at Ace's biblicard. I wonder if he will soon and whether that will indicating anything interesting...

By now, the biblicard has probably been reduced to a tiny fragment on the verge of being burnt to an ash. He should look at it. That would give Luffy some more incentive to get to Ace sooner. Otherwise, Ace is done for and (as you've said) someone should be coming to pick him up and escort him to the execution site at Marineford. Let's hope it's Akainu.

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by james0246

I have always thought that Oda was heavily influenced by Hirohiko Araki's JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and the concept of Ripple/Hamon (波紋) used in the series.

Yeah, that's also how I kinda viewed Haki. Of course, early Jojo was also pretty much a huge Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star ripoff before Stands were introduced, so maybe we can also say that Haki is inspired by Hokuto Shinken (minus the ability to make to make some poor fool's head explode)?



Anyway, even if Luffy's unable to save Ace, I'm still not entirely certain that Ace will die. I still feel that Whitebeard will be the one to be pushing up daisies at the end of this storyline. His eventual demise actually has a bit more build-up than Ace's, as well (Jinbei's speech about Newgate being the guardian of Merman Island pretty much clinched it for me)......

[Master Mold]

Originally Posted by james0246

I dislike needless or seemingly spur of the moment deaths used simply to spurn character development. Ace dying in these circumstances would not be needless, nor would it be spur of the moment, his possible death has been set up for over a hundred chapters.

...What? your going to have to explain this one.

This is like a rerun of a bad show TV show. 1st everyone run around with there heads cut off screaming, Blackbeard killed Ace its been set up for over 100 chapters and what not.

Must be De ja vu.

[Kafriel]

About Ace: right now he's imprisoned, everyone is expecting that Whitebeard will make a move to save him,thus opening war with the world government and the marines. This is the bad ending of the story where the villains get what they want, so the probability of something like this happening is low (to me, at least). So, I expect Luffy to save Ace, preventing a war, rising his bounty once again and going up in Whitebeard's esteem for having saved his second in command-that way he could gain Whitebeard's assistance (if only for a little while) and...well,he would have saved his brother! One Piece has the beauty of not being so serious as other manga, it wouldn't be like it if Ace died and Luffy went emo-ish, it's not in his emotions list.

EDIT: this also leaves room for a rematch between Ace and Blackbeard, wouldn't be bad to see

[Master Mold]

^With all the build up for this war, that would be bad writing in my opinion, for weak little Luffy to stop the war.

[Kafriel]

Weak?! Maybe he can't beat an admiral but iun see any other pirate besides Rayleigh daring to face them, and he's not stopping the war-that would mean the war took place and he just forced everyone to submission, I'm talking about preventing the war from ever taking place, saving Ace and breaking out of Impel Down is a feat he can do.

[Master Mold]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Weak?! Maybe he can't beat an admiral but iun see any other pirate besides Rayleigh daring to face them,

Blackbeard, Mihawk, Kuma, DoFlamingo, Whitebeard etc etc heck some Novas took shots at Yellow Monkey.

and he's not stopping the war-that would mean the war took place and he just forced everyone to submission, I'm talking about preventing the war from ever taking place, saving Ace and breaking out of Impel Down is a feat he can do.

With all the build up for this war, that would be bad writing in my opinion, for weak little Luffy to stop the war from taking place.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

About Ace: right now he's imprisoned, everyone is expecting that Whitebeard will make a move to save him,thus opening war with the world government and the marines. This is the bad ending of the story where the villains get what they want, so the probability of something like this happening is low (to me, at least). So, I expect Luffy to save Ace, preventing a war, rising his bounty once again and going up in Whitebeard's esteem for having saved his second in command-that way he could gain Whitebeard's assistance (if only for a little while) and...well,he would have saved his brother! One Piece has the beauty of not being so serious as other manga, it wouldn't be like it if Ace died and Luffy went emo-ish, it's not in his emotions list.

This war cannot be avoided no matter what. Garp said that once the "king of the seas" (Whitebeard) is angered, there is no stopping him. Elder Nyon said that battle is imminent. And yes, this time, the World Government is most likely going to win, which is a good thing since they've been constantly getting screwed over throughout the course of the story. It's time for them to win for a change.

[marvelB]

I also doubt that a war that's been built up for about a year now will be prevented if Ace has been rescued. That would be extremely anti-climactic. Remember Garp's line about how no one can stop the war now? It doesn't really matter if Ace has been rescued or not: Whitebeard will still attack regardless because he's pissed. Recall that Buggy even said that the marines were stupid for imprisoning Ace in the first place. Doesn't that tell you something right there?



As for a rematch between Ace and Blackbeard..... I doubt that, as well. I feel that Luffy is destined to be the one to take down Teach in the end, since they have such similar, yet conflicting beliefs......

[james0246]

Originally Posted by JINBEI

...What? your going to have to explain this one.

This is like a rerun of a bad show TV show. 1st everyone run around with there heads cut off screaming, Blackbeard killed Ace its been set up for over 100 chapters and what not.

Must be De ja vu.

I'm...a little confused by what you are saying. Rerun? Heads cut off screaming? I am not sure what you are trying to get at.

That being said, you are correct, I misspoke by saying hundreds, I should have said 50+, or at least since the end of Thriller Bark (which is almost 50 chapters ago), when it was fully confirmed that Ace was captured and imprisoned. That was the first hint of something awful on the horizon. Then we learned of the encroaching war over Ace, and most recently, we had Ace actually asking to be killed. So, I feel that it has been sufficiently foreshadowed for the possibility of Ace actually dying (somehow) during this arc. I am not saying that he will be killed; rather I am saying that a legitimate possibility exists now, whereas it did not exist previously.

[Master Mold]

Originally Posted by james0246

I'm...a little confused by what you are saying. Rerun? Heads cut off screaming? I am not sure what you are trying to get at.

rerun as in, after the battle with Ace vs Blackbeard, the E-net went into a uproar, with all this nonsense of "ace is dead he has been killed, it was set up a 100 chapters ago." it was just a de ja vu moment for me, because I was in the camp who was combtin the Ace is dead club.

That being said, you are correct, I misspoke by saying hundreds, I should have said 50+, or at least since the end of Thriller Bark (which is almost 50 chapters ago), when it was fully confirmed that Ace was captured and imprisoned. That was the first hint of something awful on the horizon. Then we learned of the encroaching war over Ace, and most recently, we had Ace actually asking to be killed. So, I feel that it has been sufficiently foreshadowed for the possibility of Ace actually dying (somehow) during this arc. I am not saying that he will be killed; rather I am saying that a legitimate possibility exists now, whereas it did not exist previously.

I got ya, but I don't think Ace will die. It would be pretty stupid on Odas part to do that IMO and a waste.

Originally Posted by marvelB

I also doubt that a war that's been built up for about a year now will be prevented if Ace has been rescued. That would be extremely anti-climactic. Remember Garp's line about how no one can stop the war now? It doesn't really matter if Ace has been rescued or not: Whitebeard will still attack regardless because he's pissed. Recall that Buggy even said that the marines were stupid for imprisoning Ace in the first place. Doesn't that tell you something right there?

What chapter was that?

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by JINBEI

What chapter was that?

Chapter 527 - Page 6.

[marvelB]

^It was chapter 527. But technically, you can also take what Buggy said about Whitebeard in chapter 233 into consideration, as well.


Edit: Hmm, Blackbeard beat me, but yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

[Cinocard]

So, was the bullet deflect by a special ability or...by HAKI? i hope it will be made clear soon.

[kari-no-sugata]

On the subject of Ace surviving all this or not...

I think it's quite unlikely that Ace will be "successfully executed" as it were - at the appointed place and at the appointed time (or even close). I think for that to happen, too many major characters would have to lose.

However, Ace is hardly feeling full of life right now - he's practically got a death-wish and in his current mindset would gladly give up his life to save his brother (Luffy) or adopted father (Whitebeard). Putting it another way, I think that if he were to die then it would be in battle.


To be honest, I wouldn't welcome Ace dying to "give Luffy some character development" at all. I think that would push Luffy down to the path of characters like Blackbeard. I want to see some changes in Luffy, but not those kinds of changes.

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata

To be honest, I wouldn't welcome Ace dying to "give Luffy some character development" at all. I think that would push Luffy down to the path of characters like Blackbeard. I want to see some changes in Luffy, but not those kinds of changes.

I agree, actually. The last thing we need is Luffy turning into some dark anti-hero (we have too many of those as it is). I feel that his recent losses against Kizaru's forces and Magellan should give him all the "growth" he needs right now. As I said before, even if Luffy fails in his rescue mission, it still wouldn't guarantee Ace's death, because the government's true target is Whitebeard.... Ace is merely the bait.



Hmm, I wonder who's going to be the one to escort Ace to Marineford? While it's certainly a good bet that an admiral will fetch him, Oda could also throw us a curveball and have a Shichibukai come for him instead. If so, I hope it's Doflamingo, since that would make for a great opportunity for him to fully reveal his abilities.....

[Sakuranbo]

^^^
An admiral *cough*Akainu*cough* and or a shichibukai as back-up

[Master Mold]

yeah Im with red Dog.

[Wolcik]

I don't think Ace will die. I'm not so sure about Whitebeard. He is the strongest man alive. His death could cause a lot of chaos, but it might be too much chaos - war in the new world - but that might be what Don Flamingo wants.

[Master Mold]

You hit the nail right on the head.

Wolick