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Shinguji · 2009-08-05, 22:33

White Day is a Japanese holiday that takes place a month after Valentine's Day in Japan, as a day where males return the females' gifts of chocolate.

As for where it fits into Umineko; it is a side-story, somewhat separate from the rest of the story.

TsundereCake · 2009-08-05, 22:36

White Day is a Japanese holiday that occurs on March 14th each year (a month after Valentines Day.)It's supposed to be like the "opposite" of Valentines, because it's when the men who recieved chocolate from the women on Valentines return the favor. Beato's White Day is the sequal to another TIPS called The Stakes Valentines Day

TsundereCake · 2009-08-05, 22:37

Man, that took me forever to write on my iPod, so I got ninja'd ;_;

Renall · 2009-08-06, 00:11

I've said this many times regarding red text but I think it's pretty much confirmed that red text is only viable as hints toward the truth of events when it makes present or past statements of fact. Stating what you will do in red is possible if the statement itself is true, but it doesn't indicate that what will happen will actually happen.

I will kill you is a meaningless statement. It may or may not come true. Proof would come from ep2 where Beatrice starts ordering Battler to kneel and saying she'll love him until he turns to ash etc. These are things she would like to do, not things that are guaranteed to happen.

If Beatrice were to stop the game at the morning of the 4th and declare Kanon is going to kill everyone on the island by the morning of the 6th! I don't think we can take that as a guarantee that it absolutely will happen because the "game" is still in play, so to speak. If Beatrice is allowed to just say whatever the hell she wants and have it be true eventually it isn't really a "game" they're playing, is it? Plus it would wreck the prevailing ep3 theory to explain Nanjo's death since that relies on the red statements confirming death to only be true at the moment they're declared and thereafter.

Christen · 2009-08-06, 03:28

This talk of chess made something tug at my mind. What if the epitaph is related to chess? I can't figure it out yet, but there are a few supporting lines that point to chess. I can't figure out how a river will fit into it yet, nor what would be the key.

Spoiler for lines from the epitaph:

Of course this is just random musing from me, but it keeps tugging on the back of my mind.

If anyone has an idea, maybe they can prove/disprove this line of thinking.

Ithekro · 2009-08-06, 03:45

Problem is that the king is the last piece to surrender in the game. If you can corner the king (checkmate) the game ends. The key would be the player.

The second twight might be a specific move (such as one that switches the rook and king's positions), but if you only have 6 pawns out that would be difficult. The six might just be the first six moves.

One possible goal would be to get a pawn onto the other side of the board, thus it would be turned into a queen, probably the most devistating pieces one can have. This might be what happens to the ones who become witches (Eva, Maria, maybe Ange). But the chances of getting a pawn all the way across aren't that good considering how long it takes to get there and that you have enemy pieces in the way.

Another thought is that they might be playing a variation of chess (not the standard rules or perhaps even the number of pieces). In which case different boards might represent different styles of play. Lambdadelta suggests this sort of as how Bern won their last game.

Renall · 2009-08-06, 04:17

Why is it these interpretations of the epitaph always forget the Third Twilight? Admittedly, except in ep1, so does the killer... but you better have an explanation for what it means.

Going by the chess analogy, "praise my name on high" = promotion to queen? But Eva promotes before the Second Twilight...

Ithekro · 2009-08-06, 04:35

They could still be doing it wrong. Maybe that the Castling move. (switch could also be a body switch)

Christen · 2009-08-06, 05:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renall

Why is it these interpretations of the epitaph always forget the Third Twilight? Admittedly, except in ep1, so does the killer... but you better have an explanation for what it means.

Going by the chess analogy, "praise my name on high" = promotion to queen? But Eva promotes before the Second Twilight...

Not that I forgot it, I wasn't able to think of an equivalent yet. I'm also trying to translate it as a riddle, but hit a dead end.

Jan-Poo · 2009-08-06, 07:14

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Originally Posted by Christen

This talk of chess made something tug at my mind. What if the epitaph is related to chess? I can't figure it out yet, but there are a few supporting lines that point to chess. I can't figure out how a river will fit into it yet, nor what would be the key.

Spoiler for lines from the epitaph:

Of course this is just random musing from me, but it keeps tugging on the back of my mind.

If anyone has an idea, maybe they can prove/disprove this line of thinking.

I've been thinking about that a LOT, but I can't really make much sense out of it. the tear apart the two who are close could be the castle since with that move you separate the King and Queen. However the problem is this can't be a chess match, because in a chess match you have an opponent, here you just get what you must do, and without knowing the moves of the opponent you can't do much.

And there's also the problem with the Head, chest, stomach, knee, feet.

You could say the head is the king, the knee is the knight and feet is the pawn. But chest and stomach aren't that clearly related to the rook and the bishop.

Kibou · 2009-08-06, 07:55

Well, the chest could actually fit fairly well for the rook, if you think about it. This sounds kind of awkward, but your chest is a fairly well protected area that presents a wall between major organs and danger. And of course a rook essentially represents a wall. o.O

One could also look at a bishop as a giver of spiritual satisfaction. And satisfaction could be linked to being not hungry, thus the stomach. o.O Plus the whole idea of fasting to become closer to your choosen god. Thus bishop = stomach doesn't really sound all that far off in my book.

But both of those are kind of philosophical interpretations. I guess, though so are the rest for that.

Antera Caramichael · 2009-08-06, 11:32

Well, the stomach is full of acid. That is the reason why a hit in the stomach is a lethal wound. Losing a bishop is pretty unfavorable because it limitate in a great way your possible moves. It is a possible interpretation.

Azure Flane · 2009-08-06, 11:35

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Originally Posted by TsundereCake

White Day is a Japanese holiday that occurs on March 14th each year (a month after Valentines Day.)It's supposed to be like the "opposite" of Valentines, because it's when the men who recieved chocolate from the women on Valentines return the favor. Beato's White Day is the sequal to another TIPS called The Stakes Valentines Day

Thanks, I had heard of it but wasn't clear on the details. And I just started playing episode 1, so when do these side stories appear?

Volcanic · 2009-08-06, 11:37

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Originally Posted by Azure Flane

Thanks, I had heard of it but wasn't clear on the details. And I just started playing episode 1, so when do these side stories appear?

Both this and Stake's Valentine's Day are from EP4. So somewhere around there, it's kinda vague

Shamisen · 2009-08-06, 19:50

My guess is that they won't explain the answer to the Epitaph until EP 7, which would be the corresponding answer arc to EP 3 where Eva solves the riddle.

Volcanic · 2009-08-06, 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamisen

My guess is that they won't explain the answer to the Epitaph until EP 7, which would be the corresponding answer arc to EP 3 where Eva solves the riddle.

Actually, there's been speculation that there will only be 7 Episodes...but yeah, even so they'll probably reveal the answer then.

If it's really based off chess, I can't wait to see Battler's reaction,

Darklas · 2009-08-08, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christen

This talk of chess made something tug at my mind. What if the epitaph is related to chess? I can't figure it out yet, but there are a few supporting lines that point to chess. I can't figure out how a river will fit into it yet, nor what would be the key.

Spoiler for lines from the epitaph:

Of course this is just random musing from me, but it keeps tugging on the back of my mind.

If anyone has an idea, maybe they can prove/disprove this line of thinking.

I like this line of thinking.

Spoiler for ...:

Marina2 · 2009-08-08, 10:25

Does new girl have any fan's nick names? I'm trying to searh for her fan art, but I have no idea what name should I use to search.

Kitsu · 2009-08-08, 10:32

ep5肖像画

might be the most effective way of searching

Golden Witch Drugs · 2009-08-08, 10:50

I just had to post a kinda stupid thought that I came up with last night (It probably already has been speculated somewhere but I haven't seen it) So don't say it's stupid since I already came up with that the second I got the thought

Anyways...

Spoiler for EP2 characters and EP3 spoilers:

2009-08-05, 22:36	Link #1022
TsundereCake 真ラブ Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Everywhere	White Day is a Japanese holiday that occurs on March 14th each year (a month after Valentines Day.)It's supposed to be like the "opposite" of Valentines, because it's when the men who recieved chocolate from the women on Valentines return the favor. Beato's White Day is the sequal to another TIPS called The Stakes Valentines Day __________________ I need a new sig ⊙︿⊙

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TsundereCake 真ラブ Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Everywhere	Man, that took me forever to write on my iPod, so I got ninja'd ;_; __________________ I need a new sig ⊙︿⊙

2009-08-06, 03:28	Link #1025
Christen Endless Nine Artist Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In a certain tropical island Age: 38	This talk of chess made something tug at my mind. What if the epitaph is related to chess? I can't figure it out yet, but there are a few supporting lines that point to chess. I can't figure out how a river will fit into it yet, nor what would be the key. Spoiler for lines from the epitaph: "At the first twilight, you shall lift up as sacrifice the six chosen by the key." - Six pawns? It fits when you check the next line. "At the second twilight, the surviving shall tear apart the two who are close." - Are there two more pawns? Or maybe it refers to the king and queen? "At the fourth twilight, gouge the head and kill." - The head could be the king? The chest could be the queen. The belly could be bishop. The knee could be the knights. The legs could be the rooks. Only the bishop is a bit out of place since we only have 1 belly. Unless we could translate the chest to breasts, which we have two of, then it could be the bishop instead of the queen. "At the ninth twilight, the Witch shall live again and none shall be left to live." - If the witch is a captured piece (in this case, Beato was captured by Kinzo), then a pawn reaching the other side will recover a captured piece. A queen in the enemy ranks can also be dangerous. Of course this is just random musing from me, but it keeps tugging on the back of my mind. If anyone has an idea, maybe they can prove/disprove this line of thinking.

2009-08-06, 03:45	Link #1026
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Problem is that the king is the last piece to surrender in the game. If you can corner the king (checkmate) the game ends. The key would be the player. The second twight might be a specific move (such as one that switches the rook and king's positions), but if you only have 6 pawns out that would be difficult. The six might just be the first six moves. One possible goal would be to get a pawn onto the other side of the board, thus it would be turned into a queen, probably the most devistating pieces one can have. This might be what happens to the ones who become witches (Eva, Maria, maybe Ange). But the chances of getting a pawn all the way across aren't that good considering how long it takes to get there and that you have enemy pieces in the way. Another thought is that they might be playing a variation of chess (not the standard rules or perhaps even the number of pieces). In which case different boards might represent different styles of play. Lambdadelta suggests this sort of as how Bern won their last game. __________________

2009-08-06, 04:35	Link #1028
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	They could still be doing it wrong. Maybe that the Castling move. (switch could also be a body switch) __________________

2009-08-05, 22:33	Link #1021
Shinguji Constantly Lurking Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Holed up in a dorm room Age: 31	White Day is a Japanese holiday that takes place a month after Valentine's Day in Japan, as a day where males return the females' gifts of chocolate. As for where it fits into Umineko; it is a side-story, somewhat separate from the rest of the story.

2009-08-06, 00:11	Link #1024
Renall BUY MY BOOK!!! Join Date: May 2009	I've said this many times regarding red text but I think it's pretty much confirmed that red text is only viable as hints toward the truth of events when it makes present or past statements of fact. Stating what you will do in red is possible if the statement itself is true, but it doesn't indicate that what will happen will actually happen. I will kill you is a meaningless statement. It may or may not come true. Proof would come from ep2 where Beatrice starts ordering Battler to kneel and saying she'll love him until he turns to ash etc. These are things she would like to do, not things that are guaranteed to happen. If Beatrice were to stop the game at the morning of the 4th and declare Kanon is going to kill everyone on the island by the morning of the 6th! I don't think we can take that as a guarantee that it absolutely will happen because the "game" is still in play, so to speak. If Beatrice is allowed to just say whatever the hell she wants and have it be true eventually it isn't really a "game" they're playing, is it? Plus it would wreck the prevailing ep3 theory to explain Nanjo's death since that relies on the red statements confirming death to only be true at the moment they're declared and thereafter.

2009-08-06, 04:17	Link #1027
Renall BUY MY BOOK!!! Join Date: May 2009	Why is it these interpretations of the epitaph always forget the Third Twilight? Admittedly, except in ep1, so does the killer... but you better have an explanation for what it means. Going by the chess analogy, "praise my name on high" = promotion to queen? But Eva promotes before the Second Twilight...

2009-08-06, 07:55	Link #1031
Kibou Clueless Join Date: May 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Age: 36	Well, the chest could actually fit fairly well for the rook, if you think about it. This sounds kind of awkward, but your chest is a fairly well protected area that presents a wall between major organs and danger. And of course a rook essentially represents a wall. o.O One could also look at a bishop as a giver of spiritual satisfaction. And satisfaction could be linked to being not hungry, thus the stomach. o.O Plus the whole idea of fasting to become closer to your choosen god. Thus bishop = stomach doesn't really sound all that far off in my book. But both of those are kind of philosophical interpretations. I guess, though so are the rest for that.

2009-08-06, 11:32	Link #1032
Antera Caramichael French Maid Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Poitiers; France Age: 31	Well, the stomach is full of acid. That is the reason why a hit in the stomach is a lethal wound. Losing a bishop is pretty unfavorable because it limitate in a great way your possible moves. It is a possible interpretation.

2009-08-06, 19:50	Link #1035
Shamisen Talking Cat Join Date: Sep 2006	My guess is that they won't explain the answer to the Epitaph until EP 7, which would be the corresponding answer arc to EP 3 where Eva solves the riddle.

2009-08-08, 10:25	Link #1038
Marina2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006	Does new girl have any fan's nick names? I'm trying to searh for her fan art, but I have no idea what name should I use to search.

2009-08-08, 10:32	Link #1039
Kitsu The unlucky one Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hiding	ep5肖像画 might be the most effective way of searching __________________ Thanks for the Signature, Vandakiara

2009-08-08, 10:50	Link #1040
Golden Witch Drugs しゆあげいん。 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rokkenjima stage	I just had to post a kinda stupid thought that I came up with last night (It probably already has been speculated somewhere but I haven't seen it) So don't say it's stupid since I already came up with that the second I got the thought Anyways... Spoiler for EP2 characters and EP3 spoilers: What if the 7 sisters of purgatory would be a referring to the 7 adults? It could be, since we already discovered in EP3 Kyrie had jealousy as her sin and Rudolf sloth as his sin. And then there are the other adults: Krauss - Mammon (He already got a piece of gold and wants to build a small tourist hotel for the sake of money) Eva - Lucifer (As seen in EP1 and further on she is very proud over her Ushiromiya blood and she does not like people bossing over her) Rudolf - Belphegor (If you've read EP3 you'll know) Rosa - Satan (She obviously has a very strong temprament and often gets mad for small things) Natsuhi - Asmodeus (She is a person who loves her husband although he does not treat her very good, and she protects her daughter no matter what) Hideyoshi - Beelzebub (He is... fat chubby?) Kyrie - Levianthan (Once again, EP3)