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[Last Sinner]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Also you can't just say that they lost because they picked Leona into Janna. Janna is somewhat a counter to Leona in the laning phase because she can tornado you out of E and disengage really well. For teamfights Leona and her long range engage is just fine and even more since she's a dive buddy with Rengar against Xerath/Kogmaw.

Leona and Rengar. You seem to be ignoring that.

They committed to an engage comp after Janna was picked. That allowed TSM enough time to change their comp's style accordingly. Short/mid range champs suddenly cop long range siege. Yes, that game was won to a significant degree during the pick phase. Windz going pure dps on Rengar was also counter-productive.

The overall comp TPA picked required them to be ahead for their combo to work. Leona is close to the worst support to be behind on. Rengar can't do a thing when losing. For a team that has been able to consistently rally, placing all their bets on winning early wasn't smart, nor was taking Janna too lightly.


Day 3 starts with Royal Club beating SK convincingly. Why on earth you would let Insec have Rengar and Zero have Janna is beyond me....They're only the champs they want most.

Interesting incident after that game - Imp from Samsung White walked up to Uzi from Royal Club and then said in English - ' You are the best AD carry in the world.' Words that he would only ever say about Deft from Samsung Blue. But it is true - Uzi is always a marvel to watch.

Interesting vid there about AHQ players helping run a drink shop. Good of their coach to give them the chance to have some skills ready for after their time in esports.

Edit = After all of that, the spots for going through are effectively sewn up and SK managed to scrape a win.

[Mach56gs]

Textbook domination by SHRC after they rocked the dragon fight. SK just didn't play it well enough early: Candy could have first-blooded UZI but was too passive about it, Jesiz went HAM when Janna was nearby..... Bad juju and bad map awareness.

I'll look forward to TSM vs Royal and SK. Those will be interesting matches, for sure.

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Leona and Rengar. You seem to be ignoring that.

They committed to an engage comp after Janna was picked. That allowed TSM enough time to change their comp's style accordingly. Short/mid range champs suddenly cop long range siege. Yes, that game was won to a significant degree during the pick phase. Windz going pure dps on Rengar was also counter-productive.

Your order is wrong. They didn't randomly commit to an engage comp. TPA tried to pick a protect the hypercarry comp but realized that they would get outranged by Xerath and switched to an engage comp instead. Both Deficio and Jatt even comment how Leona works perfectly fine in teamfights. That game was certainly not decided in the pick/ban phase.

[Last Sinner]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Your order is wrong. They didn't randomly commit to an engage comp. TPA tried to pick a protect the hypercarry comp but realized that they would get outranged by Xerath and switched to an engage comp instead. Both Deficio and Jatt even comment how Leona works perfectly fine in teamfights. That game was certainly not decided in the pick/ban phase.

As a Leona main, I'm well aware of what she can and can't do. Yes, she is a great teamfighter. If you don't fall significantly behind in the laning. Leona becomes close to the worst support if you lose lane by a considerable margin. The early pick of Leona also opened the door to be chunked down over and over by a siege comp - something Janna or Nami could have negated.

As for the pros opinions, Montecristo was very critical of the Leona and Rengar picks. Other pros around the net also considered that to be a mistake as to when they were picked. Krepo also considered the way they used Leona to be wrong.

[DemonOfWrath]

Leona was the absolute last champion picked that game. If they picked a Nami at that stage how could they possibly fight that poke comp short of Lustboy fucking up badly when Rengar jumps in? At that stage of the draft they had to get hard engage because there's no single champion they could pick to outpoke Kog+Xerath.

If you look at the whole team comp, sure they're not the best idea into Janna, and definitely the Rengar was a bad idea when they grabbed it (especially because Winds was bad on it). But with how the drafting played out Leona was probably about the best thing they could grab at that point (other options were perhaps like a Malphite top and throw the Lulu to support? But that runs into the same problems, and you have even less you can do if you whiff an ult).

[Last Sinner]

Nice victory by TSM. They did slip up mid-game but to claw back ascendancy gradually was refreshing. Dyrus played his best game of the tournament by far. Amazing also delivered. And funny about that support matchup - Nami beats Janna. As suspected. Bot lane on both sides was impressive - Royal Club definitely picked the stronger one for lane but Wildturtle and Lustboy were more clutch come team time. Nice to see TSM winning a big game without Bjergsen having to carry.

All that said - sloppy map awareness mid-game from TSM. They can't do that once they reach quarters. As for Royal Club, they let TSM get their comfort champs in droves, which was bizzare. While Insec, like he did in LPL, wasn't at his usual level on Kha'Zix. I expect whoever they verse in the quarters to force him onto Kha'Zix. It was also bizarre to see Royal dare to fight TSM in kite fights - which is exactly what TSM always wants with their team comps...

[Eragon]

So, TPA gave the super aggressive player a bully champion with Nami.....

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

The early pick of Leona also opened the door to be chunked down over and over by a siege comp - something Janna or Nami could have negated.

As I said your order is wrong, Leona was 5th (10th overall) pick. DemonOfWrath pretty much summed up the reasons for that pick and why it works.

[Eragon]

Wow, Namei is terrible - in the context of this tournament.

Oh, and no Crucible. Like, how can you shit at itemization at this level.

[Eragon]

Spoiler for TSM vs SK final game of group B::

Them throws. Guess, TSM really want some of that Samsung's white booty XD

[Eisdrache]

I'm so glad to have turned into this day of upsets.

[Kotohono]

Spoiler for TSM vs SK final game of group B:

Well someone finally banned turtle's tristana, and in the end despite the chaos and madness of the game , SK take down tristana showing their jungler being banned really did screw them over. Even with the bizarre Vayne/Swain comp.

Knocking down TSM to the number 2 seed to go on to face Samsung White, I can't wait .

Originally Posted by Eragon

Lmao. Is that really you Kona ?

I think AHQ defeated a Tristana. But, that was mostly down to how good their Thresh was.

Yes, when something on balance gets ignored this badly for patches on end; I tend get annoyed or passionate about it .

[Pocari_Sweat]

Tristana and Nidalee need to be fixed. Thankfully Riot has acknowledged the problem with these two.

[Last Sinner]

Originally Posted by Pocari_Sweat

Tristana and Nidalee need to be fixed. Thankfully Riot has acknowledged the problem with these two.

They've acknowledged Nidalee has needed balancing for over a year now. She still isn't despite multiple attempts. So I'll believe Nidalee is actually balanced when I see it. On the flipside, at least the better teams at worlds have wrecked Nidalees by taking appropriate measures to contain her.

As for Tristana...give some other ADCs some perks that offer something more appealing than what gives Tristana and Lucian their appeal. The issue is equally as much that other ADCs have been condemned to not having what is needed as much as it is Tristana. Fixing up the AD item change would also help.


And grats, TSM. You had the chance to finally do something significant and you blew it. Your immiinent slaughter at the hands of Samsung White will be amusing at the very least.

Kudos to AHQ for throwing a spanner in the works of Group A. Westdoor finally got the chance to shine. If Edward want to avoid an early exit, Namei had better shape up.

[Eragon]

SSW should just get free wins. This is just embarrassing to watch.

[Last Sinner]

Originally Posted by Eragon

SSW should just get free wins. This is just embarrassing to watch.

The grand final is virtually assured to be Samsung White vs Samsung Blue unless someone improved out of this world in the last couple of weeks. That's the reality of it all.

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

The grand final is virtually assured to be Samsung White vs Samsung Blue unless someone improved out of this world in the last couple of weeks. That's the reality of it all.

Unless Blue finishes 2nd in their group, they'll face each other yet again for in the semi-finals for a third time .

[Eragon]

From what I have heard, SSB is better than SSW. So, I don't see that happening. I would rather watch an all-Samsung finals than a one sided finals that ends in 20 min stomps.

I saw that in this years Dota 2 International. 5 million dollars thrown away in less than 50 minutes in best of 5

[frivolity]

The problem with NaMei is that he doesn't really play Tristana. This is evident from EDG's matches in the LPL.

In this year's Worlds, not knowing how to play Tristana well is akin to not playing Corki in S3.

[Mach56gs]

SK gaming with the red shell, tripping up TSM's chances.

Gonna hope TSM can get one game off of Samsung and break the curse.... Who am I kidding :P

Fredy122 was sad that he wasn't able to pick Aatrox or Nidalee. ;-;

Fredy mentions that Europe is going through some massive changes next split, so I hope they can stick together and fix that toxicity ASAP! Hope to see them perform once more!