One Piece - Chapter 516 [Manga]

[Animizzle]

Originally Posted by Tsuchirinhon

Actually, we've been shown the opposite. Whitebeard specifically stated that Haki must be surpressed, noting that Shanks was "letting his spirit spill out all over the place." I doubt Shanks decided to just do a "short surge" and intentionally knock out Whitebeard's crew. Instead, he just let his naturally spirit spill out all over the place, as opposed to keeping it in check. It would make more sense that the less proficient Haki users can only use it in short sputters, while the legendary pirates constantly pour out the stuff like soft serve ice cream.

Quite true. I guess you could argue that Rayleigh constantly surpresses his Haki and the short burst are simply a way of effectively directing the attack. Then again, you could see it as something that's simple switched on and off. I guess either works.

Still, it doesn't prove at all that inanimate objects (like an arrow) could absorb and hold Haki over time.

[Rainbowman]

Originally Posted by ChaosPaladin

actually the shichibukai has reasons enough to be arrogant. they are supposed to be very very famous pirates in OP world, has "backing" from the WG and got some fantastic power to boot. if they are not self centered and cocky, i will find it weird instead.

the shichibukai not cocky shld be kuma, mihawk. jimbei maybe but we dun even know him yet

Since we're talking about the arrogance of the Shichibukai, let's compare those who are and those who aren't by how they sound:

Arrogant:

Sir Crocodile
Gecko Moria
Boa Hancock
Donqixote Doflamingo
Blackbeard

Not Arrogant:

Dracule Mihawk
Bartholomew Kuma

Jimbei is the wild card at the moment. His personality will determine how the Shichibukai will lose through arrogance.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Rainbowman

Jimbei is the wild card at the moment. His personality will determine how the Shichibukai will lose through arrogance.

Considering Arlong and the rest of his former crew mates, i would bet good money that he is gonna fall under arrogance. Granted though, Oda could also throw us in a loop with the concept that part of the reason Arlong left with atleast part of the crew (if not all of it) was because Jimbei did not share the fishman attitude.

[marvelB]

I dunno, Moria never really struck me as being arrogant... just lazy. I mean, his loss against Kaidou DID cause him to rely more on his subordinates than on his own power to make him Pirate King. And as I noted in the past, what makes him even more interesting is that he's essentially the opposite of Crocodile, who trusted no one and has long given up the dream of becoming Pirate King (as the Goldenweek ministory implies)....



Oh, and someone asked about the colorspread earlier, right? Well, here it is:

http://onepiece.ru/manga/colorwolk/5..._Discovery.jpg



Edit: Oh yeah, I haven't noticed it before, but it looks like all 3 Gorgon Sisters have their own animal companion. Hancock has a snake coiled around her, Sandersonia has what looks like a black panther, and Marigold has that hawk. I guess that the animals all act as weapons, like the snake bows....

[Tsuchirinhon]

Originally Posted by Rainbowman

What do you mean that Marguerite has a Nami Face going on? And what is it about Nami that you find shameful?

Her face is suffering from a bout of Acute Generic Syndrome, just like Nami. It's especially bad in a manga that is famous for having very eccentric facial designs.

[Freya]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Why this?
Fighting Zoro with a dagger and travelling alone in a very small ship seems pretty arogant to me...

It's to test his strength. If he had used his sword he would have killed Zoro...which to him was just a waste of time. And dude travels alone. What else do you want him to ride? A giant ship like Whitebeards?

[marvelB]

Back to the subject of those Haki arrows, I was wondering: What if it were the snake bows that were channelling Haki to the arrows? Maybe animals have a better control over Haki than humans do, no matter how strong or weak the bursts are. It would be even more plausible if the Hancock sisters' animals are used as weapons, as well....

[Freya]

Originally Posted by marvelB

Back to the subject of those Haki arrows, I was wondering: What if it were the snake bows that were channelling Haki to the arrows? Maybe animals have a better control over Haki than humans do, no matter how strong or weak the bursts are. It would be even more plausible if the Hancock sisters' animals are used as weapons, as well....

I think Boa sisters just infuses Haki into the arrows and after that everyone just uses it. What I think right now lol.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

@Rainbowman - Blackbeard is not arrogant. Contrary to what you may think, he is so far quite possibly the most prudent/cautious pirate in the story. Let me provide a synopsis of his plan so far.

Blackbeard's goal, as far as we know, has always been to become the next pirate king. However, his approach on climbing to the top was very different than the many other pirates out there; he wanted to keep a low profile so that he would never get himself noticed. By maintaining this anonymity, combined with his formidable fighting skills (evident in the fact he gave Shanks his three scars), he would be able to slowly reach his goal without any sneaking suspicions from other pirates.

In an attempt to rid himself of any opposition, he chose to seek and acquire the darkness devil fruit so that no devil fruit user could overpower him. But, rather than going out onto sea and trying to find it himself, while knowing the high probability of encountering very strong pirates, he would circumvent this whole problem by becoming a lackey of Whitebeard's pirate crew. He figured that by joining Whitebeard and his crew, his chances of obtaining the darkness fruit he so desired would be the highest since Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world, is feared/known by all pirates, and because he would have the protection of him and his crewmates. Blackbeard's recruitment into Whitebeard's crew would shroud him in even more obscurity since Whitebeard has such a massive pirate crew. No one would ever really know who he was.

Eventually, Whitebeard's crew did end up procuring the darkness fruit. Upon this development, Blackbeard immediately seized his opportunity to claim the fruit by murdering the fourth division commander. Of course, once he was exposed for being a traitorous bastard, he defected from Whitebeard's crew and started to slowly make his own crew. It is at this point where Blackbeard now desired to make a name himself. The problem now was that he still had no reputation; a lot of his actions had went unnoticed. It is then that fate intervened when Sir Crocodile was defeated by Luffy and the world government was offering notorious pirates the chance to become his successor. This situation was too convenient for Blackbeard, since if he was to become a warlord, the world government would grant him amnesty and he would be immune from any hassle. By once again receiving protection, his goal towards becoming the pirate king would be facilitated since his opposition would be obstructed by the world government.

Now, by looking at the synopsis I just posted, I don't see how anyone can say that Blackbeard is arrogant. He carefully thinks things out before making any decisions and he doesn't underestimate people. I would describe him as a risk assessing, calculating, conniving, traitorous bastard.

[Sakuranbo]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Why this?
Fighting Zoro with a dagger and travelling alone in a very small ship seems pretty arogant to me...

Yes quite arrogant, and with reason.

[Sethi]

This chapter was nice, Boa Hancock is HAWT and seems to have a wicked personality, also her power seems excellent for someone of her nice curves. Of course i'm dying to see her have the shock of a lifetime when she uses it on Luffy and he just stands there picking is nose like he usually does. I would like it though that she doesn't become the villain but rather ends up tag teaming with Luffy against another evil, which seems to be were the story is heading what with her being almost worshipped by all the amazon women and Luffy being thrown with their middle by Kuma.
Also i'm really looking forward to Oda expanding on this 'HAKI' concept, although i'm a bit sceptical these amazon we've seen are able to use it well, i believe a nice explanation would be that all creatures have it to a certain degree but only those with 'amazing vigor and drive' can use it in such bursts and quantity for it to affect in a fight.
As for a new member i think it's cool if it would be a woman, the strawhats are counting 7 males and only 2 females. Although i would like it if the person in question was a serious heavyweight in the fighting department, i think the strawhats are beginning to lack those, especially the way the story is heading with each crew and faction having multiple heavyweights and aside from Luffy, Zoro and Sanji they don't have members surpassing the 50 million mark for their power alone(Robin has a 80 million bounty but also for her knowledge).

On a side note i don't think the shichibukai are arrogant, or at least not arrogant on the sense you seem to be implying i belive it's more like they are always completely sure of themselves and the methods they use.
If you look at it all the main fighters especially the pirates we've witnessed thus far are always completely sure of their abilities and actions, even Luffy when fighting against Shichibukai and Admirals whose reputation far exceed is own he is always sure of winning and never has a single doubt about facing such opponents. So on that point the Shichibukai are Pirates who did and witnessed so much, pirates whose abilities became so strong that even the WG gave them a special status so i think it's only natural they are a bit more 'arrogant' than your normal average pirate.

[Rainbowman]

Originally Posted by Tsuchirinhon

Her face is suffering from a bout of Acute Generic Syndrome, just like Nami. It's especially bad in a manga that is famous for having very eccentric facial designs.

So how exactly is that bad I might ask?

[Rainbowman]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

@Rainbowman - Blackbeard is not arrogant. Contrary to what you may think, he is so far quite possibly the most prudent/cautious pirate in the story. Let me provide a synopsis of his plan so far.

Blackbeard's goal, as far as we know, has always been to become the next pirate king. However, his approach on climbing to the top was very different than the many other pirates out there; he wanted to keep a low profile so that he would never get himself noticed. By maintaining this anonymity, combined with his formidable fighting skills (evident in the fact he gave Shanks his three scars), he would be able to slowly reach his goal without any sneaking suspicions from other pirates.

In an attempt to rid himself of any opposition, he chose to seek and acquire the darkness devil fruit so that no devil fruit user could overpower him. But, rather than going out onto sea and trying to find it himself, while knowing the high probability of encountering very strong pirates, he would circumvent this whole problem by becoming a lackey of Whitebeard's pirate crew. He figured that by joining Whitebeard and his crew, his chances of obtaining the darkness fruit he so desired would be the highest since Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world, is feared/known by all pirates, and because he would have the protection of him and his crewmates. Blackbeard's recruitment into Whitebeard's crew would shroud him in even more obscurity since Whitebeard has such a massive pirate crew. No one would ever really know who he was.

Eventually, Whitebeard's crew did end up procuring the darkness fruit. Upon this development, Blackbeard immediately seized his opportunity to claim the fruit by murdering the fourth division commander. Of course, once he was exposed for being a traitorous bastard, he defected from Whitebeard's crew and started to slowly make his own crew. It is at this point where Blackbeard now desired to make a name himself. The problem now was that he still had no reputation; a lot of his actions had went unnoticed. It is then that fate intervened when Sir Crocodile was defeated by Luffy and the world government was offering notorious pirates the chance to become his successor. This situation was too convenient for Blackbeard, since if he was to become a warlord, the world government would grant him amnesty and he would be immune from any hassle. By once again receiving protection, his goal towards becoming the pirate king would be facilitated since his opposition would be obstructed by the world government.

Now, by looking at the synopsis I just posted, I don't see how anyone can say that Blackbeard is arrogant. He carefully thinks things out before making any decisions and he doesn't underestimate people. I would describe him as a risk assessing, calculating, conniving, traitorous bastard.

I mean no offense there B.D.K., it's just that arrogance seems to be an influence to the Shichibukai that resulted in their downfall.

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by Monkey D. Luffy

I wouldn't call all of them arrogant or childish more than just self-possessed and narcissistic (although we don't know much about a couple of them), especially Boa Hancock, I mean kicking a kitten? I'm not even a big fan of cats or anything but that was just cruel. Atleast Momonga was wise enought to not fall for the charm.

She also claimed that she will always be forgiven even if she "slaughters innocent people" so if it was meant as literal, she probably is as bad as you would expect a Shichibukai to probably be. Her desire to keep her rank but not get her hands dirty seems to go hand and hand with her attitude that she has portrayed so far.

I quite disagree with you in this case, since: have you seen any bad, self-possessed and narcissistic guys realise that "kicking a kitten is a cruel thing that need to be forgiven" (if Boa doesn't have any power). They probably would think : "damn animals, dare to cross my way"

That plus with the "slaughter innocent people" make me think she probably understand well what is right or wrong. But just fail to see the different outcomes even if she do good things, because people (even girls) would just fell for her beauty and treat the same way anyway.

It's quite a painful experience to have people around you always treat you in the same manner to start with. I myself probably would also do the most crazy thing as possible to see different interactions

[Would?]

I think perhaps if they aren't arrogant, then the Shichibukai who fought Luffy underestimated him. This makes sense for Crocodile, considering Luffy wasn't very well known, but if you read what Moria says when talking to Kuma about Luffy, he talks about him like he has a 1 belli bounty. He should have been more cautious when fighting Luffy, and if Hancock is like this to it just goes to show how cocky the Shichibukai are.

On the other hand from what I can tell of the other Shichibukai is that:

Kuma: Not cocky or arrogant (as far as I can tell) but has strangly mysterious motives...
Mihawk: Perhaps a little cocky (considering he doesn't feel the need to have a crew, therefore showing his possible overconfidence)
Doflamingo: Possibly more cocky than Moria, he seems like such an ass (he trades humans and hates dreams, come on), I just can't tell...
Blackbeard: He is very intelligent and not proven to be arrogant, but he doesn't think of Luffy as a threat, but rather a wave of sucess he can ride to Raftel and One Piece
Jimbei: Its nearly impossible to guess, but someone who commands the "Sunny Pirates" might not be to arrogant and snobbish.

...I can't wait to see what happens in these next chapters...

[Trax]

Mihawk wasn't arrogant in the fight against Zoro, eventhough it looks that way. But from his perspective, he correctly assessed Zoro's strength and skills at that point. Using his big sword from the start would have been like using a cannon on a rabbit.

About Haki, as I said before I still think it is a rare skill and only a few amazons at best know how to use it. The ones that can use it infuse arrow for the entire amazon tribe. That's what I'd prefer at least, but another reasonable possibility might be that a minor form of haki usage is more common; at least in these regions.

About the snake bows, I wonder how they can become so rigid to act as bows. Have they been trained to do that using their muscles, or could it be some form of haki injection. In which case all amazons might have some minor haki ability at least.

[holypanl]

Originally Posted by Captain Roronoa Zoro

I wonder wat other shibukai think of her. Imagine mihawk, doflamingo, blackbeard, even kuma pulling a sanji. Mellorine! lol

I can't quite imagine Mihawk pulling a Sanji. I think he'll be more like a er...charmingly persuasive gentleman, rather than the Sanji's "OMG HAWT!!!!"

Originally Posted by james0246

We all know how this is going to end. Luffy is going to beat Boa, who will then fall in love with him (ala Alvida), and the Kuja tribe will then treat him as a God, and Luffy will use his harem to break Ace out of jail...it's so obvious.

This is kinda farfetched. But I suppose, given Oda's mind...perfectly possible...

Originally Posted by marvelB

Did Alvida fall in love with Luffy? I had the impression that she shared Buggy's obsession of revenge, which is why they teamed up... but whatever.


I'm not sure if Luffy can beat Hancock (at least in a one-on-one), especially if she's on the same level as guys like Kuma and Kizaru. Though I think it would be cool if they fought and the match ended in a draw....

Not right now. I think that Boa Hancock's purpose right now is to give Luffy a good, sound, old fashioned thrashing, and further consolidate in him the need to get stronger. Boa is a serious pirate. Very powerful, both physically, and mentally, as well as endowed with a killer fruit: Mellow Mellow.

Originally Posted by Paraden1989

i don't like how oda has introduced all of the 7 warlords, with the exception of Jimbi, because it is like one after another after another. it almost seems like he is rushing things.

I think you need to realize that we are on CHAPTER 516. The manga is going to end in about 200-300 chpaters, probably less. The crew is powering up to enter the next half of GRAND LINE. The biggest, and baddest pirate is preapring to clash with the WORLD GOVERNMENT. ALL the shichibukai plus the admirals, plus the Vice Admirals and everyone is about fight Whiteboy.

God. I really don't ant to have to be trying to guess what's going on while I see Whitebeard taking on so many powerful opponents. I wanna know what's happeneing. And not have to ask: "But, hey: How come about 50 guys just turned to stone all of a sudden??!!"

You know? By now, the Shichibukia should be all out in the open. And oda did it just right. He revealed them, but kept them still enshrouded in an air of mystery. Perfect. Couldn't ask for more. The series has gone on as someone already said, ofr about 11 years. What more could you possibly want?

Originally Posted by marvelB

As I've said before (multiple times at that), it makes sense for Oda to introduce the rest of the Shichibukai at this point, especially since they're all supposed to fight against Whitebeard soon anyway. I don't really see it as rushing things when most of the big-name characters are introduced by the halfway point. It would actually give Oda more time to explore their character than if they were introduced later on in the series, where they'd probably be devoid of personality. Now THAT would be rushed....

Precisely!

Originally Posted by Rainbowman

What color spread we talking about?



I'm confused. Does Boa Hancock have DF powers or not? Was the DF powers even mentioned in the manga? And what was it called again? I'm so confused that I'm dizzy. (cue music from Donkey Kong when losing a life)



Indeed Boa Hancock is quite the ultimate looker for a female Shichibukai. When I looked at the pictures of Boa Sandersonia and Boa Marigold on onepiece.wikia.com, they don't look too ugly. For Boa Sandersonia, sure her face is big and wide plus she has a forked tounge but her eyes make her look cute. For Boa Marigold, the way she is shaped, she's perfectly round with no flabby parts. It's almost like she's both fat and pregnant. As for her face, at least it isn't as ugly as Lola's. Now that I think about it Boa Marigold looks like a female viking. (cue "Flight of the Valkeries) I'm guessing both Boa Sandersonia and Boa Marigold had their beauty rubbed from their sister Boa Hancock so that they wouldn't look TOTALLY ugly.

Okay...your post was confusing, but I've managed to gleam the gist:

Yes, Boa has a DF power: Mello(w) Mello(w) Fruit. It aparently has to do with attraction. Possibly even increasing her own sex appeal. *shrug*. Plus she can turn anyone who was in a 'mellowed' out state by her charms into stone. Counter: Don't think about her as a female while fighting: Look at her the way you'd look at a video game boss target: a huge boss, but broken down into an assembly of vulnerable areas: heart, head, lungs, carotid, etc.

Originally Posted by viperx116

So Ace and Luffy aren't biological brothers?

I think they are, but I'm not too sure myself, so...

Originally Posted by Rawrz

Seriosuly why do all shichibukais have to be so arrogant and childish <.< My guess is that new shichi will be defeated somehow due to his beauty obsession.Just like Moria felt overconfident with his nakama around...She will probly think that Luffy cant punch her because she is beatiful and will get bamfed in her face....Well too early for this anyway

Cos they're pirates . That's how they roll. Plus, you'd have to have some level of arrogance to stand up and openly oppose the marine force and poltical power of the WHOLE WORLD...

Originally Posted by The Small One

Why this?
Fighting Zoro with a dagger and travelling alone in a very small ship seems pretty arogant to me...

Well, I see it more as: Zoro, small league swrdsman, jumping up ans challengin the greates swordsman in the world, right after seeing him slice up a ship whole, when Zoro knows full well that he can't do the same.

Who's being more arrogant?

[Would?]

Originally Posted by holypanl

Well, I see it more as: Zoro, small league swrdsman, jumping up ans challengin the greates swordsman in the world, right after seeing him slice up a ship whole, when Zoro knows full well that he can't do the same.

Who's being more arrogant?

It is Zoro's goal to become the greatest swordsman and he just wanted to test his strength against that of the greatest, I wouldn't call that arrogance, if anything it was stupidity...

[Casshern]

Hm, I wouldn't consider Mihawk arrogant since he acknowledged Zoro as a swordsman even after easily defeating him and used kokutou yoru to finish him off. I would consider it arrogant if he'd said something along the lines of "a weakling like you doesn't deserve to be slashed by the most powerfull sword in the world etc etc".

[Phenomenal]

Mihawk is as arrogant as they come. Read his dialogue...