Fate/Zero - Episode 1 Discussion / Poll

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by alumnox

Not exactly that they pick the class, you can add the berserker capability to your summon by adding the lines Zouken told Kariya.

It's the same thing, really. Otherwise, you have the potential for overlap with classes. For example, Kiritsugu and Kariya knew exactly what they were summoning in terms of class, but Tokiomi didn't seem to and Waver especially didn't adjust his incantation for the Servant class he wanted. They were after particular Servants, not classes. So it's reasonable to assume the Grail adjusted the classes accordingly so there wouldn't be any overlap.

EDIT: Damn my perfectionism.

[alumnox]

We cant talk about FSN here ChronoReverse, not even in spoiler tags.

I know we can explain it pretty easy if we talk about FSN but the moderators asked not to do it.
Dying a little bit here with out spoilers from FSN here btw =P

Regarding the theory of multi summon of the same servant in different classes its told that the grail will prevent that thing to happen and the assasin class is the most representative example of that matter but again cant tell much about it bcs its spoiler from FSN.

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

It's the same thing, really. Otherwise, you have the potential for overlap with classes. For example, Kiritsugu and Kariya knew exactly what they were summoning in terms of class, but Tokiomi didn't seem to and Waver especially didn't adjust his incantation for the Servant class he wanted. They were after particular Servants, not classes. So it's reasonable to assume the Grail adjusted the classes accordingly so there wouldn't be any overlap.

EDIT: Damn my perfectionism.

hahahaha perfectionism is good
We could explain a lot more of the classes, there's one in particular that would help a lot in the explanation but that would be spoiler for fate/zero as well as hollow ataraxia so lets just keep what Kuroi Hadou said.

The Grail adjusted the classes accordingly so there wouldn't be any overlap.
The relics helps in summoning not a specific class but a specific hero.
The chants tough not needed they help in the process of integration between master and servant.
Berserker is the only class that can be summoned for sure if you add the corresponding lines during your summoning.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by alumnox

The Grail adjusted the classes accordingly so there wouldn't be any overlap.
The relics helps in summoning not a specific class but a specific hero.
The chants tough not needed they help in the process of integration between master and servant.
Berserker is the only class that can be summoned for sure if you add the corresponding lines during your summoning.

Now that we're talking about it, I wonder how Kotomine's summoning went. As far as we know, Assassin was the first Servant summoned in the 4th Grail war. Did he want a particular Servant like most of them, a particular class to suit the job he would be doing, or did he literally just let it fly and see what he got?

[ChronoReverse]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

Now that we're talking about it, I wonder how Kotomine's summoning went. As far as we know, Assassin was the first Servant summoned in the 4th Grail war. Did he want a particular Servant like most of them, a particular class to suit the job he would be doing, or did he literally just let it fly and see what he got?

Well, my post before editing had the information needed to determine the answer to how Kotomine got his servant but alas =(

[germanturkey]

epic first episode is epic.

[TwilightsCall]

I'm not sure if this is allowed since it pertains to Novel only material, but I'll throw it in spoiler tags and post it anyways since its already been passed in the anime. But regarding selecting the servant's class:

Spoiler for Light Novel First Act:

Originally Posted by Fate Zero act 1

Usually, the assignment of Servant Classes is inevitably decided by the summoned Heroic Spirit’s own attributes. However, there are exceptions; two Classes can be designated by the summoner beforehand.

One of them is Assassin. The Heroic Spirit that belongs to this Class can be assumed as a group of killers that inherited the name of Hassan I Sabah.

And the other class is for all Heroic Spirits and can be manifested as long as the summoner incorporates the required foreign ingredients. Therefore –

“This time, give the summoned Servant the attribute of ‘Mad Enhancement’!”

Zōken declared loudly with an overjoyed face, as if welcoming the disastrous implications contained within it.

“Kariya, as the Master of Berserker, fight for me with all that you’ve got.”

[kakakka]

There're some weird camera scenes, but it's still a great starter.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

I really want to see a Kaijura remix of Emiya.

Yes, I am hoping for some classic Fate music to be included with some Kaijura spinning. It's be awesome.

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

Now that we're talking about it, I wonder how Kotomine's summoning went. As far as we know, Assassin was the first Servant summoned in the 4th Grail war. Did he want a particular Servant like most of them, a particular class to suit the job he would be doing, or did he literally just let it fly and see what he got?

That was one thing that put question marks over my head. Will have to read the novel when it's all said and done.

[bhl88]

Does it work for every class if I add 2 more lines? (can you make whoever you summon Berserker: ex: the Rider that was summoned here)

[TwilightsCall]

Originally Posted by bhl88

Does it work for every class if I add 2 more lines? (can you make whoever you summon Berserker: ex: the Rider that was summoned here)

yes, you can, assuming of course no one else has summoned a Berserker yet

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by bhl88

Does it work for every class if I add 2 more lines? (can you make whoever you summon Berserker: ex: the Rider that was summoned here)

In theory, but I don't think it will always work. Plus you can't have more than one class from any single war.

[ruurguy]

Originally Posted by bhl88

Does it work for every class if I add 2 more lines? (can you make whoever you summon Berserker: ex: the Rider that was summoned here)

As far as we know there is no evidence of being able to manipulate the class (via the incantation) other than Berserker. Doesn't mean there isn't, but I don't think it's ever been shown. There are several things that manipulate what class you might get though, based on prana, the relic you are using (since if you are trying to summon a particular hero, they can only qualify for certain classes) and probably other factors.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by kakakka

There're some weird camera scenes, but it's still a great starter.

It's a good way to save money. Might as well do, because i'm sure the action scenes are going to blow us away.

[Jaden]

I have to say it made me giggle when Kirei's dad and Tokiomi started walking in circles around Kirei for dramatic effect.

Regardless the anime is looking fantastic, I was all giddy even though they were only introducing characters with zero action. 9/10

[alumnox]

Originally Posted by bhl88

Does it work for every class if I add 2 more lines? (can you make whoever you summon Berserker: ex: the Rider that was summoned here)

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

In theory, but I don't think it will always work. Plus you can't have more than one class from any single war.

Originally Posted by TwilightsCall

yes, you can, assuming of course no one else has summoned a Berserker yet

The summoning process its hard not so much for the summoning itself because the grail do that but because the new variables the magus have been adding since the second grail war like the relics and better summoning spells in order to try to affect the result thus (hahah now I cant stop saying thus) creating the chance of failing during the summon process or messing things up for the worst (look for what happen in the 3rd grail war for more details about the worst, although keep in mind that is spoiler for the entire fate universe.

That for itself its not that bad but a fail summon could bring for example a caster with limited magic capabilities for example, that means you are pretty much dead already but if your summon goes smoothly then you might get a servant with one of its abilities as A+ instead of B or A just because the integration between master and servant its better.

That's really what the berserker class do. Powers up the melee abilities of the servant in exchange of its sanity. Would you cast the berserker class over caster for example ?. Its possible but a terrible idea if you ask me .

[Yuna Amakura]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Yes, I am hoping for some classic Fate music to be included with some Kaijura spinning. It's be awesome.

Doubt, doubt, really doubt this will happen. What I think could happen is the use of Classic Music, like what happened with Madoka using Ave Maria.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Yuna Amakura

Doubt, doubt, really doubt this will happen. What I think could happen is the use of Classic Music, like what happened with Madoka using Ave Maria.

High chance that will happen, mainly because Kaijura has reused classical music quite a few times in the past.

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

OMHF!!! F/Z's airing already???!! Dang!! I must watch it when i have enough time. DX

[Seihai]

I'd love to hear some tunes from the Return to Zero album in one way or another. I particularly liked The Berserker and The Lancer. Though I don't really mind as long as we get some epic battle music, and I'm sure Kajiura can deliver that.

[Nvis]

The OP song's in my HEAD!