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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 05 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 35 | 22.88% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 41 | 26.80% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 29 | 18.95% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 30 | 19.61% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 8 | 5.23% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 2 | 1.31% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 4 | 2.61% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 1 | 0.65% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 2 | 1.31% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 1 | 0.65% | |
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2012-08-05, 16:28 | Link #201 |
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^^ dumb system is dumb.
What's next sleep anal rape? Without people knowing they are raped? I hold my line saying that it just dumb and stupid. Someone would really need to sleep hard for that to even happen. You know the stupid anime type of dream where nothing else but nuclear explosion wakes you up. And if they panic at everything they might as well just go and die at lvl 1 against a boar. People know about this system and should be cautious. And as someone pointed out your owned/rented room are *no enter allowed* safe zone, so people should be even more cautious when sleeping in wrong places.
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2012-08-05, 16:36 | Link #202 | ||
I disagree with you all.
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Really, all they feel is someone manipulating their hand a bit. And maybe some sensation from the sword going in them, but nothing too dramatic. Kirito could ignore it quite handily. I don't see why it'd be weird to not wake up. Quote:
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2012-08-05, 17:19 | Link #203 | |
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So you're already in bad shape sleeping somewhere you're not supposed to be. A la Asuna, who conked out for the whole day on a grassy field. But you are asleep inside a town, so you feel at least vaguely safe. Not really very safe though, because you're not holed up inside an inn. So for whatever reason you're conked out in town... maybe you're just too poor to get a room? So there you are, likely at wit's end and falling asleep in a bad spot. And someone comes up and duels you, moves your finger to the right location and clicks accept. You probably wake up, but you're not armed... and they are. You're still groggy from sleep, and sleep deprived, and you're being woken up by someone stabbing you a lot of times (doesn't hurt though). So you're in seriously bad shape, and dying, and you probably don't know it / realize what's going on. Odds are, even if you were aware of what was going on you'd be so shell shocked by it all you'd just die regardless. Doesn't strike me as that surprising. I'm typically a very light sleeper and I've slept through alarms... so I could totally see it. Ironically the odds are a lot less for people being Sleep PK'ed outside town, odds are vastly higher they're dying to mobs. Apparently people were living in the world for nearly a year, if not longer (assuming I'm not totally off on time) before it was discovered. A) it would take some time to figure out WTF was happening. It's not like the dead player's get to log onto a wiki site and update how they were PK'ed for everyone else trapped in SAO to read. They're dead, and their murderer probably isn't shouting from the rooftops how they're killing folks. And B) if you're being killed in a totally safe spot during a duel you didn't agree to I think disorientation would be really strong. |
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2012-08-05, 17:26 | Link #204 | |
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2012-08-05, 17:32 | Link #205 |
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I don't see a major problem with the concept of sleep-PKing alone, largely for reasons that Adigard already laid out nicely.
But the particular way these two murders went down does raise an eyebrow for me (given how elaborate the first one was, and how fast and sudden the second was). But I'm going to give the anime the benefit of the doubt, and hope that it has a good "game mechanics" way of explaining it.
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2012-08-05, 17:34 | Link #206 |
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Adigard, you don't even need to take advantage of sleep-grogginess for sleep-pk to work. There's a very easy way to win:
start off with a paralysis attack. It doesn't matter even if the player wakes up fully conscious. He won't be able to do anything. Last edited by Daniel E.; 2012-08-05 at 20:50. |
2012-08-05, 17:39 | Link #207 |
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MU, Knight online, A3, Wow, Lineage 2, EVE (trial and got bored), Dynasty warriors online, APB:R, NFS World, Aion, Diablo 2, Ultima Online,
and about 10-20 more titles + many FPS shooters I forgot about as you gave MMO's and not MMORPG or any other kind of game. But sure I played only kids games. Besides I played roller coaster tycoon 2 and 3 and theme park world which I gave to my extended family kids as it was to kiddy. I'm a gamer and pvp player at core if you didn't get it and still consider its dumb as hell. Not to mention that in most games there is some sort of damage reduction in pvp, so that players won't 1hit other players all the time with big spells/skills, but we can assume that in this game you do 100% of your damage to monsters and players, only that monsters have increased damage compared to players.
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2012-08-05, 17:41 | Link #208 | ||
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People who can be killed very easily in a duel. Thus, one or two hits will kill them. And people who feel perfectly safe inside a town. Places were you can find a decent number of targets without roaming too far. And people who won't be missed by the high level clearing teams who likely understand the game mechanics rather well. Yup... those poor bastards left in the starter city who are deathly afraid to leave town for fear of dying to the lvl1 mobs outside the city. THOSE are your targets for sleep PK. I'll bet you could murder quite a few of those poor sorry bastards before someone stopped you. Now, if you still think it's dumb, I'm quite certain you're just set in your belief and no amount of explaining is going to do the trick. |
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2012-08-05, 17:54 | Link #209 | |
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Those people may as well be dead. If they cannot sustain their life in game, while waiting for someone more capable to finish the game then they really might as well be dead. Basic logic would suggest that they should do the minimal necessary, in real life they also need to somehow sustain their existence. If we consider that now for those 2 years Sao is their real life, they should be able to work. Heck they might trade, they might craft, they might hunt some mobs. But if they can't scrap few shits to get some place to stay then they really are worthless. People who pk them are murders no talk there, but if they kill such poor human trash, then heck let them. Someone will catch them later anyway, as for the dead sobs, they didn't mean anything anyway. Enough from me as I previously said dumb system is dumb, and rest of ep didn't pull it up to get it above 6/10. Mystery was boring for me as well, maybe because of Hyouka which I dropped after 4 eps of constant boredom, even though I like a good mystery. As for normal players, they know and follow the rule that they are at constant war, and resources and rest are required. You don't go fighting enemy after few days of no sleep do you ... Common insticts allow normal survival. If you sleep like somo hobo on street its obvious you will get mugged or killed in worse parts of town/world.
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2012-08-05, 18:57 | Link #210 | |
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And common sense doesn't say that you can killed on the street when you can't get killed on the street. Obviously people didn't realize this was a danger until much later, and once they realized it people stopped sleeping on the street. Problem solved. Until this episode when it turns out there's some other kind of exploit to worry about. People adapt. |
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2012-08-05, 22:18 | Link #211 | ||
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I prob would have been one of those poor souls that tried to find a "safe" profession to get into and wait it out. Can you get drunk in the game? That would be a variation of sleep-PK.
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2012-08-05, 22:44 | Link #212 | |
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2012-08-05, 23:29 | Link #214 | |||
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And If you are locked down in some game for 2 YEARS it kinda becomes your real life, until you will get out. After all you need to sleep and eat there, so basic needs are covered, then you need some other maslov pyramid things to survive. Obviously you die there if you die, so if its not REAL then I don't know what is. Don't try to measure something you cannot yet experience yet based on your knowledge (such game system). Quote:
Still I said "Not to mention that in most games there is some sort of damage reduction in pvp," before the rest, so you literally didn't read the whole sentence and made your opinion. Most of games have some sort of pvp damage reduction, be it build into engine like 50% pvp damage reduction and/or iequipement pvp damage reduction gained from items as additional pvp dmg reduction. Last but not least, Hi lvl 1 hitting some lowbie? Realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly? You had to bring that point. Obviously if some 7x will go to starting town he can 1hit rape ppl, but we talk about people around same lvl or in 10-15lvl bracket difference.
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2012-08-05, 23:33 | Link #215 | |
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WTF? what the actual f---? i had to check episode 4 just in case i somehow missed something. here i was waiting for some kind of reunion and all of a sudden they pretty much know each other?? im kinda pissed at this. so i guess this is the "beginning" of our 1st arc, i guess its ok. but i think it was too obvious when i saw that open window and i saw her going to it. though i was actually thinking she was gonna kill herself...
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2012-08-05, 23:51 | Link #217 | |
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2012-08-05, 23:54 | Link #219 | |
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