2008-12-20, 09:14 | Link #961 |
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What bugged me the most with Ranka in the series was basically the fact that everything was dismissed so easily. After killing off a few islands, I'd have expected some balance that would be demanded from her character. But no. The series spoiled her. Even in the ending. Everything became magically okay.
Intentionally or not, she brought a lot of crap to a lot of people, and by people I mean a whole fleet (and hell! People died!). Naturally, I'd want to see her feel the sting of her actions just as Minmay did. But sigh....all was forgiven. Too damn easily. Kinda tells you how moeblobs get away with everything. =_= The fact that Ranka still remained a loli-moeblob-still-vying-for-a-chance-in-the-already-ended-Alto-love-game didn't help things either. @magnuskn: *Pat pat* We've faced characters worse than this, haven't we? Last edited by raile; 2008-12-20 at 09:26. |
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2008-12-20, 12:14 | Link #964 |
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This is a Ranka Lee thread lol...of course it's okay to bring other character to compare with Ranka, but your previous post has nothing to do with Ranka...you only talk about Sheryl XD...perhaps move the discussion to romance thread would be a better choice ?
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2008-12-20, 12:22 | Link #965 |
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Yeah the thought is rather laughable considering Ranka had more than enough screen time to get developed. Character development has never really been a strong suit in the Macross Franchise but Ranka's was just handled terribly with the amount of screen time she got. When ever her character took a step forward in development she took 2 back shortly afterwards. I couldn't believe her reaction to Alto in episode... 16 I think, the one in her room.
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2008-12-20, 18:07 | Link #968 |
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Sometimes I wonder how many times we shall go through all of this. It's not that something or someone will be able to change the objective opinion about how Ranka behaved. I mean, there ARE things that have the potential for a debate but this...
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2008-12-20, 18:41 | Link #969 |
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Well, Ranka already said "it was because of me" when she got controlled by Grace. I know she was refering to the tragedy when she was young. And Frontier fleets got heavy damage when Ranka got controlled. But when Ranka got free, what do you expect Ranka to do? Self-blaming for half of the episode before she goes to save Frontier?? If Ranka did this, then there will be more criticism from Sheryl Fans XD....
Her action to save Frontier immediately could be a sign that she has learnt the importance of putting her power into the good use. She also embraces her responsiblity, knowing that it's her duty to not allow the tragedy in the past to happen again in the future. Basically, Ranka has changed a lot throughout the series, from a normal teenage girl, to realize that she has the power to "tame" Vajra, to understand that tragedy can happen and ppl could be gone, to know that human and Vajra have to coexist (her adventure with her brother to the Vajra planet), to remember the tragedy, self-blaming herself before got controlled from Grace, to act immediately after freeing from Grace's control in order to save Frontier and realize that it's her duty to not allow past tragedy to happen again. I would say that Ranka does change a lot. Of course, her love with Alto hasn't changed at all. But romance and experience don't have to conflict with each other. Ranka can learn from her experience and love Alto at the same time. Ranka doesn't have to leave from the love triangle to prove that she has changed XD The last thing I want to say is, Ranka is a special character in the series. Because she is the only one who has that "magic power", so she experiences lots of things that other will never encounter. Throughout the series, she has been trying her best to put her power into good use. She witnesses and remembers that tragedy can happen right before her eyes and at the end she acts bravely to save Frontier immediately. Like I said in the last post, some audiences want to see Ranka suffer before allowing her to move forward, but in my opinion, Ranka has decided to move forward in episode 25. Ranka's mind has changed during the period she got controlled by Grace. We see a stronger-willed Ranka after she got free. She realizes the importance to act immediately, that maybe the reason why we didn't see she say "It was because of me" again when she said that sentence before Ranka got herself controlled by Grace. Like Urei said, probably nothnig can change each other's opinion, so leave this Ranka tread to Ranka fans plz XD (so Ranka fan can have place to gather besides that fansclub....Ranka fans need to expand the territory somewhat )
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2008-12-20, 18:53 | Link #970 |
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You assume too much, justavisitor. I, for one, don't want to see Ranka suffer - but the fact she had zero accountability for her (in)action(s) does grate me. That's the problem I see. One scene of "it was because of me" is just too little. And you don't seem to remember what we hold against her character from even before she left the fleet...
And no matter how much you want it to, she didn't change her personality - that of an immature, spunky, somewhat shy and oblivious wannabe songstress. You simply listed what happened to her throughout the series, but these events did not really change her - she was the same person when the series started and when it ended. Nothing, at all, changed. Her character progression from episode 21 to 24 was practically scrapped when episode 25 rolled out. Lastly, no, we shouldn't leave this thread only to Ranka fans. Everyone's welcome here, on these forums. Stop trying to dictate what we can or can't do, please.
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2008-12-20, 18:57 | Link #971 | |
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2008-12-20, 19:37 | Link #972 |
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Well Tak, and other forum members, before we get into any debate again, It's a little early, but I want to say "merry christmas" to all of you!!! Best wishes to every single one of you for the upcoming year!!!
Tak, I am not a lawyer, and I bound to make not up to standard comment in my post (especially my previous post is long), so thanks for giving the warning before hand, if you want to exploit it please do XD. We have exploited each other's post already before.... BetoJR, the reason why I suggest leave the Ranka thread to Ranka fans is because I see many deleted thread from Sheryl fans in here (especially in the last two pages). And the reason it got deleted was because it was too personal...(monir listed the reason in the deleted thread), so I think, is it necessary for Sheryl fans to have personal attack to other non-Sheryl fans in the non-Sheryl thread?? Well I am not trying to dictate anything...ppl please feel free to comment (sans personal attack)...I just think of something and have some suggestion...and happy christmas to you too, BetoJR!!
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2008-12-20, 20:27 | Link #973 |
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Merry Christmas to you, too. I'm sure I'll still pop up around these boards at least until the 24th, tho... afterwards, it's anyone's guess.
And I'm sure you'll notice that NONE of my posts contain offensive remarks, in this thread or any others, so it's a safe bet that not all Sheryl fans behave as badly as that.
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2008-12-21, 02:34 | Link #975 |
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I wonder when all of this will end. We always seem to go around in circles, not that it doesn't make it any less fun. LOL
To those out there who think Ranka had some sort of deep, profound and dare I say it, meaningful change in character, wait for the movie. If Ranka seems to have drastically changed in the movie (like DYRL Minmay different) then it can only mean one thing...they fixed her up! 8D Let's see how Ranka 2.0 in the movie will be...anyone wanna make bets? |
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Ranka 2.0: Onii-chan I'm going to join Miss Macross Ozma: What?! No! I forbid you! Ranka 2.0: *throws things* You f*****g s*n o* a b***h!!!! *throws more things* You think I'm just going to stay here and listen to all the m***** f*****g things you tell me? You don't g** d**n own me b*****d!!!!
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2008-12-21, 05:53 | Link #978 |
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Well, I did. And it's getting a bit annoying every time I watch the forums. :/ Character flame wars is making panda very sad
no personnel offense against fd, I' m just concerned about the anti ranka situation around here.
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Oh chillax, I wasn't even being serious anymore. You are not the only one annoyed, although I'm waaay over that now. So instead of getting annoyed with all the delusion over and over again, I went to sniff on something to block off my ailing receptors.
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