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2013-01-15, 18:02 | Link #862 |
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I won't debate over that matter considering it isn't really the subject and it may take a long while, but just to put it straight: no matter how crazed some Japanese fans may be, BD and Dvd are big deal in term of expense, especially if you add everything else (from accomodations to other expensive hobbies like galge). So if there are choices to make in term of purchase, additional content is the prime selling factor (read: uncensorship, interview etc. A bit how To Love Ru Darkness is faring extremely well in such regards).
Of course, I will admit that something is up there to make them buy like crazy series like SAO despite it doesn't improve anything either in the BD (although SAO has a "average/ok" budget unlike SSY).
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2013-01-15, 19:18 | Link #863 |
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Look at what Seirei no Moribito did on disc, despite a great critical reaction. Was there ever any belief that in this day and age an anime can sell without pushing the right buttons based on tremendous artistic merit alone?
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2013-01-15, 19:51 | Link #864 |
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The exorbitant dvd costs just make even buying 2 episodes to support the franchise difficult, so any hardcopy material must have superior extras to go with it. Otherwise, even those that are willing to support it, can't. Wallets only go down that deep.
It's unfortunate really, but that's how it goes. Maybe it'll sell well over overseas? I guess it's not even likely it'll make it over there. But maybe improve Novel sales?
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2013-01-15, 20:18 | Link #865 | |
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1) Shinsekai strikes me as having appeal to a certain "alternative otaku" segment of the market in a way Moribito does not. And indeed, barring a serious flaw in this survey, it would appear Shinsekai's reception on 2ch was pretty decent: http://www.crunchyroll.ca/anime-news...2chs-favorites 2) Outside the very hyped 10K+ segment of the market, anime DVD and Bluray sales have always struck me as having a patronage quality to them. And if I go into it with that mindset, I find myself asking "Moribito has NHK funding, why do they need my support?" (With the losses NHK may have taken being more of a "hindsight is 20/20" thing). I don't find myself asking that for Shinsekai, It airs at 12:30AM, which is the kind of timeslot that suggests that they may not have much in the way of other funding. 3) Moribito's number aren't abnormally low by anime standards, they look poor because of the budget and visuals (which, I'll admit, I would have expected to pull in quite a few more sales). Assuming that the undiclosed number of DVD sales isn't much higher than the Bluray sales, Shinsekai's sales really are that bad.
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2013-01-16, 00:21 | Link #866 | |
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2013-01-16, 01:15 | Link #867 | |
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(I'm lazy... anyone else want to break out Excel?)
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2013-01-16, 01:24 | Link #868 |
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Sales don't determine whether a show was truly good or not, nor whether it was quality, nor whether you should like it or not.
They're more an indication of popularity, marketing, pre-existing fanbases from another medium and fanbases convincing themselves their title is better than everyone else's fave because their title sold more.
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2013-01-16, 01:46 | Link #869 | |
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They also happen to be one of the few readily available indicators of how commercially successful a show was and hence are useful for armchair speculation on what comes next - albeit not as useful as they may initially appear due to different budgets, business models, etc.
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(For reference, I tend to find that Wikipedia is usually a pretty quick way to find out if a show is licensed.
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2013-01-16, 02:03 | Link #871 |
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Let's say that their sales numbers are so low it is nearly impossible to have an appropriate estimation. Generally speaking, these are below the 800-500 low benchmark.
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2013-01-16, 09:16 | Link #873 | |
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lol @ the sales for HnG!: CTMEOY, dat Manglobe curse strikes again....
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You would have to offer something that would make me want to get the BDs... look @ Bakemonogatari, a lot of reworked scenes (though you could say they shouldn't have had to have been reworked in the first place if not for SHAFT incompetence), Commentary done in character written by Nisio himself, those are reasons to want to buy something like the BDs. A lot of BDs include Event Passes you can only get with the first volume, look @ Love Live's Vol 1 being high in Amazon charts because of this, sometimes they offer short stories with volumes, IIRC SAO did that with Vol 1 unless I confused it with something else. Of course hivemind plays a part, you only have to look @ otakus with Bake and Madoka as well as Fujoshis with T&B and Kuroko to see that. So if SSY was always going to be a series that was going to struggle to sell and they offered nothing extra to entice people... don't know why anyone should be dismayed or surprised @ these results.... isn't it getting a complete adaptation anyway? It's not like SSY is a Baccano where only... 5 (series covered 4, think the OVAs did another) out of a heap of books was animated and we'll never know what happens afterwards because of low sales. And speaking of Baccano... I'm really surprised that DRR hasn't been green lit for a second season by Aniplex..., thanks to fujoshis that was a smash hit unlike Baccano.. surely enough material is out for a second... and unlike Haruhi's author it's not like Narita takes years to write shit. |
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2013-01-16, 15:33 | Link #875 | |
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Kanon, Angel Beats and Clannad's glorious quality pushed them to around 30,000.
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2013-01-16, 15:39 | Link #877 | |
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2013-01-16, 20:28 | Link #878 |
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I don't think it's "because" it's not a fad. I think the collector's market on the whole just has different tastes than you do in this case. I think that is also something that I can easily say is common to everyone I know who collects -- sometimes your tastes align with majority, but other times they don't. I've bought my share of shows that never ranked, and pretty much everyone I know who is in any way serious has had the same experience. The market is just formed of tens of thousands of individual purchasers who have to make individual purchasing decisions about what (generally few) shows they want to have on their shelves. This show apparently wasn't chosen by many. But as was said, maybe other merchandise is benefiting. Or maybe it'll just have a really, really long tail. Who knows...
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2013-01-16, 21:25 | Link #880 |
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I did a search for SSY merchandise today and found nothing at all. The merchandise thread here contains just this item found by BluWacky. Apparently neither Saki nor Maria qualify for the figurine and dakimakara treatment.
I'd be curious to know whether sales of the novel have seen a boost since the anime began. There's also a spinoff manga. Edit: Never mind. I looked it up here. I find sales for the light novel in the week 10/1-7 of somewhat over 6,000 copies which were sufficient to break into the top twenty for that week. Total sales amounted to 150,408. (Site says volume 1. Are there more?) After that SSY doesn't appear in a weekly report, which usually cuts off around 5,000 copies. It doesn't appear in the total report for November, 2011-November, 2012, either, which cuts off at 24th place with 265,000 copies. So I don't see any substantial boost in the novel sales.
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