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greedyspectator · 2012-05-25, 07:49

@agetreme
In page 1565, are you posting about IS verse, or real life? Because in real life, especially in the middle east, women are at a disadvantage...

Anyway, I'm just debunking the claim that the male gender will die out. Not true.

@Demi
In order for the electric reactive armor to work, the first and last layer has to be electrically conductive and saturated with electricity. Unless the filing IS electrically conductive... in which case, ignore this post.

Oh, and STF liquid probably will fit. The liquid is not sandwiched within the Vectran, it's doused on the Vectran, just like how a normal shirt will get wet if doused in water. The difference being that the STF liquid is too heavy to evaporate.

PS: And Piezoelectric plates convert kinetic energy to electric energy. Perhaps it is possible to use the kinetic energy from an incoming projectile to recharge the plates?

PSS: Zero is right, the plates can explode inwards due to leftover momentum and kinetic energy from the projectile. This is called spalling. A fourth layer of rubber should negate the spalling, as well as insulate the user from the electricity of the plates (unless you want the user to be electrocuted).

demino_hellsin · 2012-05-25, 07:50

does charlotte's vent and garm count as light

EDIT: rubber works. I was initially thinkinh titanium though

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-25, 07:57

What do you mean pry?

He might consider to ask, offhandedly at that, as in, if they said there's no scar, that was an answer he will accept.

Eratas123 · 2012-05-25, 07:59

Imagine seeing someone you know with a huge jagged scar on their back just before they put their shirt down, so you saw it for just a second. Would you just accept it if they just say "Oh no, you were just imagining."

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-25, 08:07

@ Demi
Vent is a medium rifle so it'll pierce straight through, Garm however counts, especially the 'cluster' type munition (bullets that pack smaller pellets/darts)

@ Eras
This is Ichika we're talking about (remember M's case? yeah, that), unless you plan to 'fix' Ichika.

greedyspectator · 2012-05-25, 08:10

@Demi:
Do you want me to run the math of whether or not your design will work against a .61 Vent Assault Rifle round?

Well, the formula is quite simple, actually:

To calculate projectile piercing: Momentum of Projectile - (Layer 1 relative Mass*UTS + L2 relative mass*UTS + L3 relative Mass*UTS)
Note: UTS stands for Ultimate Tensile Strength, or how much newtons of force can the material withstand without deforming.

To calculate shock damage: (Kinetic energy of Projectile - Electrical Charge by reactive armor)/Spherical Explosion Area
Note: Spherical Explosion area = Pi*r^2
r= Distance between first layer and second layer * Tan (angle of spherical Explosion)

PS: I did a mistake in my calculations a few pages ago. The formula for spherical explosion should be the one above, not r^2/4.

Eratas123 · 2012-05-25, 08:16

@ Senpai - No, not planning to fix him. I just need to know since he takes a group bath with his male kids in that big hot springs bath in school and sees Kazuma has a huge scar before he quickly drops in the water to hide it. The plan for now is he's curious and tries to outstay Kazuma in the bath.

3 hours later and he leaves since he can't take the heat anymore while Kazuma's not even moving.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-25, 08:27

@ Greedy
Vent rifle I assume has, at least (and that's putting boldly) has the same kE as 30mm Russian autocannon (not the american ones), 370 gram projectile at usual autocannon velocity of 860 m/s. Demi's armor not going to work. Momentum-absorbent filling can only do so much before giving up.

Even if the armor somehow usable, I advise not taking that gamble. This fandom is very, very volatile.

@ Eras
A good snippet I'd say. Ichika might try for alternative method.

Eratas123 · 2012-05-25, 08:36

Alternative method?

Side note - I made Chifuyu a bit too much an Instructor from Hell

Does dunking Ichika's head underwater to simulate a realistic CPR experience count as too mean?

demino_hellsin · 2012-05-25, 08:38

the filings are magnetized so thy are pretty conductive, you can even take some shrapnel and turn it into part of the first layer. the key is the piezoelectric plate. when the flow reverses, the filings are blown outwards so a small expansion of first layer occurs. the outter layer gets chaffed of in the process. If the force of projectile is strong enough, the electroity pours into the pojectile causing it to disintegrate.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-25, 08:39

@ Eras
Well, I can't think of any examples, some method that is not too conspicuous.

Yes, that's too mean even for her. "'For Ichika's future' fuck my ass" level of mean at that.

@ Demi
Wish you luck then.

greedyspectator · 2012-05-25, 08:41

@Zero
Oh, I assumed the vent rifle is roughly equivalent to the American 30mm 425 gram projectile at 1070m/s velocity. The same one used for the GAU Avenger Minigun.

Did the numbers. You're right, the armor is unlikely to hold much, unless you can saturate 200 000 volts of electricity to the armor at a constant rate, which is impossible.

Eratas123 · 2012-05-25, 08:43

How is it any meaner than telling Charlotte to shoot at him?

StratoSpear · 2012-05-25, 08:46

Is it plausible to be using the idea of "ghost particles", where by the particle is made up of entirely positive and negative atoms orbiting around a hollow "gravity core" where a nucleus should be?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-25, 08:47

Absolute defense duh

Being shot during I.S. training is frankly, less dangerous than dunked into water just because. Ichika taste those bullets on almost daily basis, just this time, without any counter. Ichika not forcibly drown on daily basis (at least, by people that is not Houki or Rin maybe).

On personal level, I still hate that punishment, but drowning him on purpose is plain... gah

Eratas123 · 2012-05-25, 08:51

Alright, is there an easy way to hold your breath underwater?

demino_hellsin · 2012-05-25, 08:52

just explaining the finer points of the armor. if it can only survive stray garm shots then that's good enough.

@stratos: the only suh thing I know would be a blackhole or a gravity well :|

greedyspectator · 2012-05-25, 08:56

@StratoSpear:
Just my opinion here.

It depends on how much you want to obey physics. But it probably is plausible (notice my tone of being unsure, here) as an idea while still obeying physics.

Since gravity is really just the bending of space around massive objects, you can make the core of the particle a mini neutron star or something of equal density. As long as the gravitational effects of the core allow the positive and negative atoms to orbit around it without problem, it should be okay, although no equivalent particle can be found in real life.

StratoSpear · 2012-05-25, 08:57

Well I'm thinking of an IS that is able to manipulate charged particles the same way the Mysterious Lady does with water.

Unlike most canon IS units where they are mostly bent on penetrating barriers, the IS in question specializes in barrier attenuation via controlled yet potentially extreme discharging of charged particles. "Potentially" being the key word as its output is variable.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-25, 08:59

@ Eras
Take a deep breath, do not let your body move too much and keep your heart rate stable (panicking is not going to help), people often call it 'rock technique' or 'playing dead'. Using efficient amount of air stored in your lungs AND diaphragm, you can hold it as few as 20 second and upward to few minutes if you're well trained.

@ Demi
It could hold few stray shot, but that's about it.

2012-05-25, 07:49	Link #31321
greedyspectator Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	@agetreme In page 1565, are you posting about IS verse, or real life? Because in real life, especially in the middle east, women are at a disadvantage... Anyway, I'm just debunking the claim that the male gender will die out. Not true. @Demi In order for the electric reactive armor to work, the first and last layer has to be electrically conductive and saturated with electricity. Unless the filing IS electrically conductive... in which case, ignore this post. Oh, and STF liquid probably will fit. The liquid is not sandwiched within the Vectran, it's doused on the Vectran, just like how a normal shirt will get wet if doused in water. The difference being that the STF liquid is too heavy to evaporate. PS: And Piezoelectric plates convert kinetic energy to electric energy. Perhaps it is possible to use the kinetic energy from an incoming projectile to recharge the plates? PSS: Zero is right, the plates can explode inwards due to leftover momentum and kinetic energy from the projectile. This is called spalling. A fourth layer of rubber should negate the spalling, as well as insulate the user from the electricity of the plates (unless you want the user to be electrocuted). __________________ “The evil that is in the world almost always comes from ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.” ― Albert Camus

2012-05-25, 07:57	Link #31323
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	What do you mean pry? He might consider to ask, offhandedly at that, as in, if they said there's no scar, that was an answer he will accept. __________________

2012-05-25, 07:59	Link #31324
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Imagine seeing someone you know with a huge jagged scar on their back just before they put their shirt down, so you saw it for just a second. Would you just accept it if they just say "Oh no, you were just imagining." __________________

2012-05-25, 08:07	Link #31325
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Demi Vent is a medium rifle so it'll pierce straight through, Garm however counts, especially the 'cluster' type munition (bullets that pack smaller pellets/darts) @ Eras This is Ichika we're talking about (remember M's case? yeah, that), unless you plan to 'fix' Ichika. __________________

2012-05-25, 08:10	Link #31326
greedyspectator Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	@Demi: Do you want me to run the math of whether or not your design will work against a .61 Vent Assault Rifle round? Well, the formula is quite simple, actually: To calculate projectile piercing: Momentum of Projectile - (Layer 1 relative MassUTS + L2 relative massUTS + L3 relative MassUTS) Note: UTS stands for Ultimate Tensile Strength, or how much newtons of force can the material withstand without deforming. To calculate shock damage: (Kinetic energy of Projectile - Electrical Charge by reactive armor)/Spherical Explosion Area Note: Spherical Explosion area = Pir^2 r= Distance between first layer and second layer * Tan (angle of spherical Explosion) PS: I did a mistake in my calculations a few pages ago. The formula for spherical explosion should be the one above, not r^2/4. __________________ “The evil that is in the world almost always comes from ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.” ― Albert Camus

2012-05-25, 07:50	Link #31322
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	does charlotte's vent and garm count as light EDIT: rubber works. I was initially thinkinh titanium though

2012-05-25, 08:16	Link #31327
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai - No, not planning to fix him. I just need to know since he takes a group bath with his male kids in that big hot springs bath in school and sees Kazuma has a huge scar before he quickly drops in the water to hide it. The plan for now is he's curious and tries to outstay Kazuma in the bath. 3 hours later and he leaves since he can't take the heat anymore while Kazuma's not even moving. __________________

2012-05-25, 08:27	Link #31328
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Greedy Vent rifle I assume has, at least (and that's putting boldly) has the same kE as 30mm Russian autocannon (not the american ones), 370 gram projectile at usual autocannon velocity of 860 m/s. Demi's armor not going to work. Momentum-absorbent filling can only do so much before giving up. Even if the armor somehow usable, I advise not taking that gamble. This fandom is very, very volatile. @ Eras A good snippet I'd say. Ichika might try for alternative method. __________________

2012-05-25, 08:36	Link #31329
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Alternative method? Side note - I made Chifuyu a bit too much an Instructor from Hell Does dunking Ichika's head underwater to simulate a realistic CPR experience count as too mean? __________________

2012-05-25, 08:38	Link #31330
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	the filings are magnetized so thy are pretty conductive, you can even take some shrapnel and turn it into part of the first layer. the key is the piezoelectric plate. when the flow reverses, the filings are blown outwards so a small expansion of first layer occurs. the outter layer gets chaffed of in the process. If the force of projectile is strong enough, the electroity pours into the pojectile causing it to disintegrate.

2012-05-25, 08:39	Link #31331
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Eras Well, I can't think of any examples, some method that is not too conspicuous. Yes, that's too mean even for her. "'For Ichika's future' fuck my ass" level of mean at that. @ Demi Wish you luck then. __________________

2012-05-25, 08:41	Link #31332
greedyspectator Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	@Zero Oh, I assumed the vent rifle is roughly equivalent to the American 30mm 425 gram projectile at 1070m/s velocity. The same one used for the GAU Avenger Minigun. Did the numbers. You're right, the armor is unlikely to hold much, unless you can saturate 200 000 volts of electricity to the armor at a constant rate, which is impossible. __________________ “The evil that is in the world almost always comes from ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.” ― Albert Camus

2012-05-25, 08:43	Link #31333
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	How is it any meaner than telling Charlotte to shoot at him? __________________

2012-05-25, 08:46	Link #31334
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Is it plausible to be using the idea of "ghost particles", where by the particle is made up of entirely positive and negative atoms orbiting around a hollow "gravity core" where a nucleus should be? __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-05-25, 08:47	Link #31335
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Absolute defense duh Being shot during I.S. training is frankly, less dangerous than dunked into water just because. Ichika taste those bullets on almost daily basis, just this time, without any counter. Ichika not forcibly drown on daily basis (at least, by people that is not Houki or Rin maybe). On personal level, I still hate that punishment, but drowning him on purpose is plain... gah __________________

2012-05-25, 08:51	Link #31336
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Alright, is there an easy way to hold your breath underwater? __________________

2012-05-25, 08:52	Link #31337
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	just explaining the finer points of the armor. if it can only survive stray garm shots then that's good enough. @stratos: the only suh thing I know would be a blackhole or a gravity well :\|

2012-05-25, 08:56	Link #31338
greedyspectator Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	@StratoSpear: Just my opinion here. It depends on how much you want to obey physics. But it probably is plausible (notice my tone of being unsure, here) as an idea while still obeying physics. Since gravity is really just the bending of space around massive objects, you can make the core of the particle a mini neutron star or something of equal density. As long as the gravitational effects of the core allow the positive and negative atoms to orbit around it without problem, it should be okay, although no equivalent particle can be found in real life. __________________ “The evil that is in the world almost always comes from ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.” ― Albert Camus

2012-05-25, 08:57	Link #31339
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Well I'm thinking of an IS that is able to manipulate charged particles the same way the Mysterious Lady does with water. Unlike most canon IS units where they are mostly bent on penetrating barriers, the IS in question specializes in barrier attenuation via controlled yet potentially extreme discharging of charged particles. "Potentially" being the key word as its output is variable. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-05-25, 08:59	Link #31340
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Eras Take a deep breath, do not let your body move too much and keep your heart rate stable (panicking is not going to help), people often call it 'rock technique' or 'playing dead'. Using efficient amount of air stored in your lungs AND diaphragm, you can hold it as few as 20 second and upward to few minutes if you're well trained. @ Demi It could hold few stray shot, but that's about it. __________________