2007-09-19, 09:41 | Link #2281 |
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Final thoughts on Lucky Star
The impact Lucky Star had will remain a mystery for me. Judging from the avatars floating around in almost every thread it was the show of 2007 so far with no other even coming close.
I didn't hate this show. After all, I watched it till the end with already puts it on top of Gurren-Lagann, say, which I've dropped somewhere around ep 9 or School Days which I wouldn't touch with a pointy stick. But here, I at least think I understand why people can really, really love these show. I don't really understand the ardent fans of Lucky Star. Or does it all boil down to KyoAni or Hirano Aya? I've seen worse charaterization but the characters were quite soulless Overperfected to fit into the market, I guess. The non-plot was sometimes funny but the multiple references to other anime were annoying. Anime references in anime are humorous when you don't expect them. Not when you are bombarded with them. Especially not when they are always either about Haruhi or about *BLEEP*. If you can't do it for copyright reasons then why are you trying? I'm giving the show a 5-6 where 1-5 means "time more or less wasted" and 6-10 "time more or less well spent". In other words: I'm left with a quite neutral impression. Azumanga Daioh, for example, is a completely different league.
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2007-09-19, 10:11 | Link #2282 | |
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L*S isn't your cup of tea, so meh. Most of us with L*S avatars here believe it's probably the most unique show for the past year, and it hit another hallmark for the slice-of-life high school genre. The thing about that genre is that it's relatively new to the past decade, and so far it leaves very little opportunity to be overdone, overlapped, or uncreative. If there's anything to say against people who believe KyoAni can't invent: They did. Nobody has ever seen anything to the likes of SHnY or L*S. They practically invented a genre that supremely panders/parodies to otakus more than any other. |
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2007-09-19, 12:04 | Link #2283 |
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I'm just a bit sorry that a manga I've come to enjoy got caught up in the "product references out the ass" syndrome. It means when I express my enjoyment of L*S that people will automatically assume I'm some KyoAni drooling fanboy or a Haruhi drooling fanboy when I'm not either. I have *liked* almost all of KyoAni's works but I can certainly find fault with them (as a brief scan of my posts throughout all their series will show). Big fan of L*S... but I'm also pretty unhappy with some aspects of the anime adaptation.
Its kind of like Shinbou .. I think he's done some brilliant things, but I also think he has royally clusterf**ked up some things. Azumanga Daioh is in my top tier of manga and anime choices... but hey, they had some boring episodes as well (and the adaptation putting a teacher's lechery in the first few episodes I've found very offputting to attracting people to the series and anime.... ) Worship just isn't my bag and I get a bit concerned when I see people fall into that non-thinking anime-equivalent of fundamental extremism.
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2007-09-19, 12:36 | Link #2284 |
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I'm a Japan-ota way before I started watching otaku anime, so this show is a hit for me in so many ways. I got most of the non-ota humor so that makes it special for me. I am never, ever going to find another show in this entire universe which will do a parody cover of I'm Proud while the original singer went missing and was fired by her agency. Never will another comedy show spoof both a Kimura dorama and Haruhi at the same time. But that is really unique to me.
I really don't expect L*S to get such a fanbase in the first place, so I'm totally okay with people not getting the show. I guess that's why I want people to understand it and enjoy it like I did. That being said, I'm more surprised at the huge popularity of L*S even among the casual anime watchers who barely knows Japanese. I guess it's the wonderful characterization of all the characters, even the minor ones. They seemed REAL even though they're animated. The line between reality and anime/manga world is blurred every time you hear Shiraishi and Akira-sama argue - are they the character or are they the seiyuu? The speaking part of the CDs and the radio show just send a shiver up my spine every time; this show just felt more REAL to me than any other. Lucky Star did a lot for me. I've made a lot of new friends, got in touch with a lot of part of J-culture I've never knew or have forgotten, and I don't think another show will do that to me again. That's why I have such a profound love for it, but I sure as hell did not expect anyone else to feel the same way. I've loved other anime or entertainment property before, but it's rare to have them done something for me other than brief outlets of relaxation. It has given me a lot, and I have tried to give it back. Now I can truly understand the passion of the otakus. Before I take myself too seriously, I just want to say that the REAL reason was that I"m a tsundere-holic and Kagamin is one of the best ever. Sore dake. ^^; |
2007-09-19, 13:09 | Link #2285 | |
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So Vexx, "Clowns To The Left Of Me, Jokers To The Right, Here I Am, Stuck In The Middle With You". @Slice of Life: I try to deliberately keep my avatars and sigs unnassociated with any currently popular anime. I just follow whatever mood I feel I'm in, and choose an avatar/sig to match it. It's a way I can show that I'm following my inhibitions and not following any sort of trend. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but that's just how I like to do things personally. @Claies: The 4Koma style of comedy has been around forever man, neither Yoshimizu nor Kyoto Animation invented it. Here is another example of the style of comedy Lucky Star follows. It requires you to be a Gar/Mecha/Japanese otaku to "Get It" (Lucky Star in turn requires you to be a Haruhi/Moe/Japanese Otaku to "Get It") and it uses in-jokes that you need to pay close attention to (You need to be aware of many mecha shows and Japanese cultural and gaming oddities to understand them), some of which have strips that run into each other. So Lucky Star really isn't any sort of new genre, and even American Comics such as Peanuts (Vexx drew this comparison more times than I can count) have been doing this for years. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2007-09-19 at 13:41. |
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2007-09-19, 13:38 | Link #2286 |
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genre: entertaining and quirky personalities getting through life and trying to figure it out, thereby providing commentary on the tragicomic human condition.
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2007-09-19, 13:58 | Link #2288 | |
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2007-09-19, 14:20 | Link #2290 |
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O.o Its an actual definition that I coalesced out of general literary-speak.
I was only defining the sub-genre that shows like AzuDa and L*S live in..... some of Shakespeare's plays live in that genre as well. Peanuts, Calvin&Hobbes, Mutts .... a long list of apparently random items that would fit there.
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2007-09-19, 15:46 | Link #2291 | |
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Like AVPlaya said was the case for himself (and a few others, such as Vexx, for whom it is true, but haven't said it here), I come from the perspective of having had a passion/interest in Japanese culture before my interest in Japanese animation. That gave Lucky Star extra significance for me.
I think, before other things, Lucky Star tries to be relatable, and it's from there that it deveops its greatest draw. But the manga's humor being so very Japanese and the anime being as Japanese-culture-centric, not to mention Japanese-pop-culture-centric, one would think that its appeal would be limited outside of Japan. While I knew that the KyoAni Touch would mean it would have a significant following, I was constantly amazed that others found it as entertaining as I did. At other times, I was amazed that I found it as entertaining as I did. It is often suggested that truly great works should never have ties to temporary concepts, but works such as Dr. Suess's editorial cartoons show us that at worst a truly great work is simply less timeless. I am somewhat concerned that the constant references make this a less timeless (I'm almost certain they do), but it still managed to be a wonderful production. Quote:
It rubbed off on the fans, too. I enjoy many series, and I enjoy discussing many series, but it's rare that I get almost as excited about "sharing in the fandom" as I do a series, itself. For many reasons (not the least of which being the reference-collection and the aforementioned "transparency"), this series has a hand in changing its following from "fandom" to "community". |
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2007-09-19, 16:04 | Link #2292 |
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I also come from the perspective of having been interested in japanese culture since I was in junior high (check the age and subtract) and actually LOATHED japanese animation from afar til I started reading Megatokyo in the latter part of the year 2000. Fred kept talking about these anime that did something besides explode, shout, or involve tentacles.... so I went to look and found some pretty decent comedy and drama often heavily dunked in japanese social mores and culture.
As Kyuusai says, even when doing something nastily commercialized --- if the participants are having fun, that comes through more clearly than any "targeted analysis of what the demographic wants". A fair amount of L*S transmits that feeling quite nicely.
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2007-09-19, 17:11 | Link #2293 |
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Lucky Star has meant a lot to me. I mean, I am relatively new to anime, and this was one of the first I have seen. I can clearly remember how I downloaded the frst episode because a lot of members of an Internet forum said it was the best 2007 anime.
And, how it dissapointed me... I was looking for taiko no tatsujin, tekken or street fighter that I had seen on the anime preview... And suddenly I was looking how a group of girls were talking about how they eat lots of food I have never heard of. But, I had nothing better to do, and lookes the second episode... and the third, and the fourth. And I loved the series more with each episode. I have been always interested in the japaneses culture. I have always wanted to know something about the place where anime was created, popular for its great technology and sometimes treated as a place which could be seen as the world in the near future. And, I must add that I have always like references, even those which I do not understand, so that way I can learn more things. You must have realized that I am defininf Lucky Star. If you add to this, that I like series without a complicated plot, like Keroro Gunsou (unless it has become worse and worse...), you have the result. Moe ( I didn't even know this word before L*S) characters, very well drawn their personalities, lots of references... you know, what the show is about. And furthermore, thanks to all this foum I could understand better this show. Cultural references, seiyuus, and of course, theories, and various chatter... How to know if the girls were being chased by a certain boy? What do you think of Kagaminya being heart-broken? Do really Kagami and Konata want more than being friends (We love Kagam-e-i)? It is a shame that L*S has ended... I truly wait for a second season. Or the mangas being licensed, or fansubbed, or whatever. I just want to be someone who can enjoy this a lttle more, know just a bit more, laugh on more time. I will end this "long" post (maybe it is not very long, but it took me a while to write it xD) with my neverending sentence... What do you think?? |
2007-09-20, 02:30 | Link #2294 | |
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2007-09-20, 16:02 | Link #2295 | |
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Here's some eye candy Tsubaki CMs for fun... some of my favorite CMs ever. All of the women in it are celebrities, and they all feel privileged to be in a Tsubaki CM. Spoiler for Unhide to view videos of Beautiful Women:
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2007-09-20, 22:51 | Link #2296 | |
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2007-09-20, 23:22 | Link #2297 | |
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I have no doubt that L*S would in fact be licensed, but I have even less doubt that it will be inevitably screwed up. First of all, pulling off an English voice acting (and script, nonetheless) for Konata is simply ridiculous. Hirano Aya pulling that off is a miracle in itself, and the anime localization industry so far really lacked such miracles. The only American release I'll respect for L*S would be entirely subbed, with a Japanese culture guide at least as thick as AVPlaya's attached. Last edited by Claies; 2007-09-21 at 19:16. Reason: Wrong word |
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2007-09-21, 00:09 | Link #2298 | |
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(And well... I think it's perfectly fine to watch this show without a "thick culutre guide". I'm still waiting to get mine to appreciate the fansubs, in any case...) |
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2007-09-21, 09:29 | Link #2299 | |
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2007-09-21, 10:58 | Link #2300 |
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Paniponi Dash is another example of "blackhole dense" references, they used a similar method of letting the viewer "choose their level of footnote pain".
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