School Days - Episode 12 delay discussion

[Meatrose]

To be honest, I can't bring myself to understand this about censoring shows as soon as something happens in the world. Sure, if what happens in the show is related to the real life incident, then fine, but I'll probably never understand the need to cancel the final episode of a show where someone gets stabbed or killed or whatever (with a sharp object) just because person A killed person B in the real world. It's not even related.

Some might think that the episode was canceled simply due to the graphic nature of the violence, but I find that hard to believe. I mean, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni got away with some tremendously violent scenes in the last season. What a certain someone does in episode 21 is a pretty good example of extremely sadistic violence being aired. What I mean is that it has to be (as has been confirmed) that the canceling of episode 12 was in fact related to the incident. Don't get me wrong, I think that what happened is a terrible tragedy, and I really think that one shouldn't ridicule such a tragedy by airing something that holds a content that is similar to the incident. I just can't seem to understand this canceling though. It would be different if the final episode contains a highschool girl killing her father with an ax or a machete or something like that, but I think it's safe to assume that it doesn't.

Okay, I might be overreacting, but I truly hate when stuff like this happens. The boat was really nice though.

What I'm thinking though is that they chose to cancel the episode since they don't wanna add fuel to the fire. I'm talking about those propagating that violent animé sometimes triggers violent behavior. There are those that believe that otakus might snap and decide to live out their fantasy of raping young girls and going berserk in general... just by watching violent animé.

"Movies don't create psychos, movies make psychos more creative"

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Meatrose

To be honest, I can't bring myself to understand this about censoring shows as soon as something happens in the world. Sure, if what happens in the show is related to the real life incident, then fine, but I'll probably never understand the need to cancel the final episode of a show where someone gets stabbed or killed or whatever (with a sharp object) just because person A killed person B in the real world. It's not even related.

Again, this is because the TV stations might have trouble with various lobby etc.
See in US and Europe, that there are many people seeing with a bad eye anime in general? (claiming boo at the violence and outrageous sexual content) same in japan as well. and if we mention that it is supposed to be all age (as only AT-X use a rating), you know the drill.

Some might think that the episode was canceled simply due to the graphic nature of the violence, but I find that hard to believe. I mean, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni got away with some tremendously violent scenes in the last season. [snip] in episode 21 is a pretty good example of extremely sadistic violence being aired.

The situation is different, as it doesn't have any remote similarity to what happened outside, IRL.
That's why it is canceled, and not because it is very graphic, as many shows didn't get many issues either (and higurashi is hardly violent graphically)
For your instance, it has been censored, as there isn't supposed to have a big black veil in this scene. (and try to avoid to spoiler things which aren't related to the initial topic/forum)

What I mean is that it has to be (as has been confirmed) that the canceling of episode 12 was in fact related to the incident. Don't get me wrong, I think that what happened is a terrible tragedy, and I really think that one shouldn't ridicule such a tragedy by airing something that holds a content that is similar to the incident. I just can't seem to understand this canceling though. It would be different if the final episode contains a highschool girl killing her father with an ax or a machete or something like that, but I think it's safe to assume that it doesn't.

Okay, I might be overreacting, but I truly hate when stuff like this happens. The boat was really nice though.

let me remind you the similarities :
*A girl
*high schooler
*black outfit (similarities with the school uniform)
*murder, motive: hatred
*ax => bladed weapon.

this kind of things is extremely shocking, considering the initial context (a daughter and a father), and various others points (police involved). If it wasn't a girl, you can bet a lot this cancellation would never happen.

there are too many similarities, and people KNOW it has nothing to do with IRL. but for sake of image, and avoiding risk, they just cancel.

EDIT:

What I'm thinking though is that they chose to cancel the episode since they don't wanna add fuel to the fire. I'm talking about those propagating that violent animé sometimes triggers violent behavior. There are those that believe that otakus might snap and decide to live out their fantasy of raping young girls and going berserk in general... just by watching violent animé.

"Movies don't create psychos, movies make psychos more creative"

You nailed what i put: it MIGHT result of unecessary trouble with various groups. so canceling/delaying this episode was the only choice they have.

[KholdStare]

Well it's kinda easy. You won't feel the same way until someone close to you decides to somehow try out one of those cool bankai moves on a friend...only this is more realistic than Bleach. Parents who were victims of these things will speak out and form groups, and we can't afford lawsuits and what not, can we?

In summary, you might not think it can happen until it happens to someone close to you. I certainly don't like the episode to be canceled, but I can see their reasoning.

[Meatrose]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Again, this is because the TV stations might have trouble with various lobby etc.
See in US and Europe, that there are many people seeing with a bad eye anime in general? (claiming boo at the violence and outrageous sexual content) same in japan as well. and if we mention that it is supposed to be all age (as only AT-X use a rating), you know the drill.

Yeah, I agree with you. I didn't originally include it in my post, but I edited my post shortly after clicking the "Submit Reply"-button. I guess you were already typing your message by then though. =)

*Edited the sentence about Higurashi no Naku Koro ni episode 21. Sorry about that one, don't know what I was thinking including names since I'm usually quite cautious when it comes to posting stuff that might spoil people.

And about that scene... I guess there are different versions out then, cause my version certainly doesn't look like it has been censored. =P

And even though the violence in that scene might not be extremely graphic, it felt... well, extreme to me, due to the sadistic nature of it all. I've never seen a scene sporting that kind of violence in any other animé to be completely honest. More blood does not make it more violent. I guess you know what I'm getting at.

Edit: Hehe, I started typing this before I saw your edit. =)

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

well its just a shame that such incident happened before we even got to know how School Days will end.
Hopefully we do get to see the episode though...but seeing the original content of this episode seems to be slim after this incident.

[Ravenblitz]

i just love the boat <_<

[iczelion74]

So is it true that Higurashi Kai has been cancelled because of the attacks as well?

http://www.tokai-tv.com/whatsnew/24/24394.html

Can someone translate that?

[Klashikari]

it basically says :

Tonight’s broadcast of “Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai” planned for 3：32 will be changed to “Pole Effect(?) ★ KING gourmet first star!”. We apologize for the inconvenience.

I covered this crap on this thread, and on the blog.

what a great day...

[Baka-neko]

Ohhhh great... What a great week.

Pffffft... Maybe the girl planned all of this because she hated otakus?

Anyway, let's hope everything turns to better.

[Conan-san]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

it basically says :

Tonight’s broadcast of “Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai” planned for 3：32 will be changed to “Pole Effect(?) ★ KING gourmet first star!”. We apologize for the inconvenience.

I covered this crap on this thread, and on the blog.

what a great day...

Son of a bitch...

So, how long untill "Girl A" gets an axe shoved into her own back?
Seriously. It's going to go there and it's going to happen.

[NaweG]

While we're speculating...

I'm going with Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory with the Candlestick

[DmonHiro]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

it basically says :

Tonight’s broadcast of “Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai” planned for 3：32 will be changed to “Pole Effect(?) ★ KING gourmet first star!”. We apologize for the inconvenience.

I covered this crap on this thread, and on the blog.

what a great day...

Oh you've got to be fu#@*g kidding me!!!! God damn bitch and her axe. Hope she gets on shoved up her..........nose

[Serenity85]

Semi of-topic Rant

ewwww, I've lurked this forum for quite some time, and school days semi interests me (its not on my top must watch) but with the latest news if stepped out to post.

This is getting annoying really really fast. Its no biggie for me if School days is delayed (heck like most ppl I've come to my own conclusions as to what happens just need the proof^^) but now Higurashi is getting canned to.... Now that is one of my top shows, and it really p***ed me of to hear this news. Gah, its so stupid that Higurashi S2 has to suffer now cause of this incident. Are they gonna can/delay all violent animes now? They better not start forcing censorship on shows, Higurashi S2 has been so good so far that changing it to suit PG 13 crowds/complainers would just kill all the goodness that has built up so far....

Gah, .... grrr *returns to lurker stats*

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Serenity85

This is getting annoying really really fast. Its no biggie for me if School days is delayed (heck like most ppl I've come to my own conclusions as to what happens just need the proof^^) but now Higurashi is getting canned to.... Now that is one of my top shows, and it really p***ed me of to hear this news. Gah, its so stupid that Higurashi S2 has to suffer now cause of this incident. Are they gonna can/delay all violent animes now? They better not start forcing censorship on shows, Higurashi S2 has been so good so far that changing it to suit PG 13 crowds/complainers would just kill all the goodness that has built up so far....

I wouldn't panic just yet. As I said earlier, broadcasting this sort of content when the tension on this issue is already high would be even more likely to lead to long-term consequences, as you're taking the risk of a public outcry. As it stands, otaku are inconvenienced temporarily, but I expect things will return to normal in time. And it's not "all violent anime"; it's just that schoolgirls wielding weapons and killing people in cold blood hits just a little close to home at the moment. This too shall pass, as they say. Our sympathies should go out to the victim's family.

[Matrim]

Following the example of School Days and Higurashi, I think all anime which depict any kind of war should not be shown on TV until there is eternal peace on Earth, it would be only fair to the relatives of victims of war and their familes, right? And while we are at it, let's ban news bulletins from mentioning any violent crime, too. How bloody politically correctly stupid can people get, really?
I would't blame the TV networks much, they are most likely under immense pressure by the rest of the media.

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Our sympathies should go out to the victim's family.

Though i doubt they know what "school days" is

well at least this series cant be turned into a scapegoat for anyone to target on.

[Joachim]

This cancelling is getting stupid... but oh well what can i mean WHAT CAN we do.. sigh

[NaweG]

This is hardly a new or isolated incidence. Some of us remember how a rather good series called "Invader Zim" was taken off after 9/11, and the last few shows of the second season and a few shows prepared for the third had to be gathered via the Internet since they were only shown in Australia. Eventually the greedy hands of the license owners overcame their concerns and the show was shown on US TV and DVDs were sold. Damage to the series by that point was done.

I'm not too surprised that networks that decided one show was too dangerous would decide that another one is as well. In fact the poster who I presume was kidding about "lets ban all violence" may well temporarily get his/her wish.

However, such actions tend to also result in folks deciding to spend their money and time elsewhere, and eventually the profit motive kicks in and the cycle starts all over again.

My .02 worth (and probably worth what you paid for it)...

[Vee Dubman]

I'm going with Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory with the Candlestick

[toxic_trance]

So the thing L33T raws has released is the stupid nature special????