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It certainly wasn't a hopeless situation. Kaname clearly demonstrates that Purebloods>the world for the most part, excluding Zero. Even the chairman, the Vampire without fangs, got his ass handed to him by a pregnant pureblood. The only one who can stop them are other purebloods. The purebloods certainly make enemies. Zero is one of them but the fact that the only ones who can turn humans into Vampires is certainly telling. We seen our fair share of ex-human Vampires. This is purebloods and only purebloods doing and certainly builds a lot of enmity between the two species. Rido, Shizuka, and Kaname are all people who compounded wrongs with more wrongs, Shizuka and Kaname especially. Quote:
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2009-10-16, 14:11 | Link #1122 | ||
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Anyway, until we get a clear answer from Hino Sensei, we'd just be left speculating the entire time. Quote:
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2009-10-17, 07:44 | Link #1123 | ||
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I don't know where you're going with the second part. I agree both Shizuka and Kaname went lolly-gagging around while the VC was doing it's thing.
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2009-10-17, 18:32 | Link #1126 | |
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The VC is just full of elder vampires with larger families which would simply take their place. the Purebloods would have to reestablish monarchy (like Kaname) to prevent another VC from popping up. Obviously they weren't interested because the Kuran's stepped down. I don't mind that you call the Purebloods foolish, but you called the VC a plot hole, which it isn't. With the second part, they both brought the VC into their situations, had they not gone and done something that would interfere with inter-species relations, they would have been left alone. Anyway, I don't want to ramble on about this forever, So we should just agree to disagree. |
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Why have your peace interrupted when it doesn't have to be? If you have power do you have to use it? Even currently when Kaname takes out the VC and takes over they're still targeted, and treated disrespectfully. Should Kaname go on to kill the entire society then? The problems of their treatment extend beyond the VC taking them down only leads to more problems for them, which Kaname is willing to do. Quote:
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I'm done. While I think Kaname did was extreme it certainly was 100x better than the apathy towards them that allowed them to get this far. He might fail in the end mainly because of his methods but at the very least he now has a chance. Before he was just pointlessly wasting away his days while the VC plotted his and his species downfall. Maybe I overestimated the Purebloods and inbreeding has made them all mentally retarded but still feels like a huge plothole to me. You can go on believing whatever you want.
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2009-10-17, 21:53 | Link #1130 |
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The entire Society is after the Purebloods Not only the VC
It's not so simple that you can just kill one group off and call it a happy day. It's not even feasible to control the entire society constantly. It only builds more resentment towards the rulers in question. You eliminate some, more will take their place. What's the point? You sacrificed your regular life in return for constantly killing more and more threats? Would you be happy doing that? Had the Purebloods enjoyed it, then they would have kept the monarchy they had in place. I would love to live my days in some kind of fake constructed peace than constantly fighting more and more threats to my existence. And when it was finally time for me to die, I would accept it. Because I had enjoyed what was left of my life. Anyway, Nice Discussion We had. It's always nice to see another viewpoint on something. |
2009-10-27, 23:46 | Link #1135 |
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I agree! I don't know what to make of it. I wish the chapter was longer!
Zero's wrist started to get agitated, it was obviously from Yuuki's touch, and I was like AWWWWWWW!, but I wonder what exactly the condition is, and what it means? I loved seeing the Chairman again! And Ichijou! Stuff happened, but then I felt like it's still building! And the whole Kaname/chess bit? Is Kaname regretting the whole mess he made by using everyone as pieces? |
2009-10-28, 13:23 | Link #1136 |
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The shit is about to hit the fan and i feel multiple peoples sins are going to come back and haunt them. Sara seems hint as to knowing that Kaname was responsible for Shizuka's death. I have no doubt that Sara is involved in whatever is going on however i suspect that she might have a partner in crime who has the same goals as she does to bring Kaname down.
Zero was right, the best course of action for now is to call off the party seal the area and look for clues. Either way once word gets out that not only was a pureblood killed (if that is what happen i have my doubts) but a Hunter was killed as well all hell is going to break loose. Right now they need to keep the information from leaking out. It obvious by now that a third party is at work here and i believe their one of their goals is to get the H.A. and V.C. AKA Kaname to start a conflict. There is always someone who benefits from conflicts. Zero was definitely reacting to Yuki touch however i do not know why. Two possible guesses was he became emotional causing his blood to stir or his killing intent was so high that it caused it. Either way he reacted to something about it could just be her Pureblood presence. Zero is not going to let what happen to the hunter go lightly. I laughed my ass off when he told Yuki this was not a game and to back off. Yuki states that she is not the powerless Yuki Cross that didnt know anything before and she will protect her loved ones. I find it ironic because she is still in the dark about a lot and she still continues to be a weak heroine. I cant take her words seriously till she proves otherwise. Kaname's chess game is continuing however we have a new player who seem quite formidable. I still dont trust Kaname and hes still hiding too much from everyone and hes still trying to manipulate everyone. I feel all the things hes done is going to come back on him in ways hes never dreamed. I believe of his weakness is the fact that hes killed another Pureblood in cold blood i believe this knowledge would make the rest of the high ranking vampires not trust him. The suspense build up is quite good we can sense thing moving in the shadows and we can see some serious drama and possible bloodshed is coming up. I cant wait for all the hell to break loose Zero continues to be my favorite his lines are always so dead on. Though he should have suppressed his killing aura a little bit more with that many vampires around im sure all of them could sense it.
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I don't think it's Kaname's chess game, per se, but a chess game that all the characters in VK are playing, including the Chairman. The only two who may not be playing are Yuuki and Zero (and, three, if you count Yuuki's friend). But, by not playing the chess game, does not mean that they are not pieces of the games itself. As I see it, by not "playing", does not mean that Zero and Yuuki are any better, they are just simply letting themselves be pawns - easily manipulated and useless. Although Zero is beginning to get a hold of his own fate, which is good for him. Sometimes the one moving the pieces are not doing so out of ill intentions, but, rather, move them in order to protect them from being killed by the other player. However, by taking up this role, he placed himself in a bad light in the eyes of the audience for the sake of those he wanted to protect.
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2009-10-28, 22:57 | Link #1138 | |
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I feel that at some point (hopefully in the near future) Zero needs to get over his oath that he would kill Yuuki and understand that Yuuki had no control over her transformation, and be on the same page with her again. I don't necessarily think Yuuki's weak. She just needs to find in herself who she can really trust in this world that's totally new to her. Personally, I can't imagine all the emotions and worries she must have. Worrying for Yori, feeling guilty and remorseful about Zero, taking in stride the fact that her adopted father is a Hunter, learning more about her past in Kaname, dealing with lust for blood. I mean, she still hasn't found out that Kaname isn't actually Kaname. She's really going to hit the floor when that happens. I can honestly say, however, that I really don't know who she's going to back up in the end: Kaname or Zero. There's too many variables. Hino sensei has really confused me well! |
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Now Ichiou's action, staying by Sara's side, is interesting. Either he's "keeping the enemy closer" or he resides with Sara out of loyalty.
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2009-10-29, 15:23 | Link #1140 |
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I agree. I think Kaname's fall will be tragic, because I think in the end he'll regret what he did, while still loving Yuuki, and he'll realize that if he REALLY loves Yuuki, he'll giver her her freedom and the right to choose without being blinded. Or perhaps he'll offer himself as a sacrifice in some way as recompense for his manipulations. I think (or rather hope) that he will realize Zero is good for Yuuki and will eventually let go. Which would be sad. But it would be resolving, as long as Yuuki wasn't scarred by whatever happens to Kaname. Dang it! I just don't know Kaname's REAL intentions are.
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