2010-10-15, 06:02 | Link #2001 |
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Of course I do, they were not fakes. You were talking as if it was everything wrong but it only lacks detail, what do you want a word for word transcription? And first, before judging the content judge the source, they were the opinion of a girl who readed the chapter, they were not meant to be spoilers, and be sure that girl didn't wrote those to have western fans knowing about the chapter until the raw comes out. And that was stated by the one who did the translation. |
2010-10-15, 15:52 | Link #2005 |
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LOL, what Aiwatan said.
I translated a blog entry about the chapter made by a Japanese blogger. I stated multiple times in that entry that a) I hadn't seen the chapter myself and b) everything written in the Japanese blogger's entry should be taken with a grain of salt. Still, there was nothing inaccurate about what the blogger said. It just lacked detail. I guess maybe I should have posted those disclaimers in +15 size sparkly text so that people wouldn't keep, you know, missing them? To GlassesLady: No, Marie's not dead. |
2010-10-15, 16:53 | Link #2006 | |
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2010-10-15, 20:58 | Link #2007 |
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Of course not. He was dumb from the beginning. And that is exactly what makes Soul Eater entertaining and fun to read.
I disagree vehemently that having hints or foreshadowing of things to come takes "master level" writing skills. Authors of serial media are quite capable of merely changing their plots as they write them, or revising future events to retcon foreshadowing that they might have intended to mean something else originally. That, and just because a plot has been built up for some time doesn't mean that it can't be piss-poorly executed in the end. But then again I get the impression from your posts that we have very, very different opinions on the relative merit of Soul Eater to begin with, so I won't start an argument about it. To me, it's just a fun manga series that I like to mock on my blog. Occassionally it has moments of surprising depth and awesomeness, but mostly it's just stupid, mockable fun. For the record, though, please don't call me "girl", okay? |
2010-10-15, 23:43 | Link #2008 | |
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Frankly, I personally have never understood the appeal of looking for 'spoilers' or untranslated (to a language one can comprehend) material in the first place. Following and being a fan of a series should be about trying to appreciate it on its own terms, and only people who have an ulterior motive in pushing their own interpretations would show such urgency about finding out 'what happens' before that is possible. However 'ridiculous' developments might seem, not even waiting to fully comprehend a chapter/episode before jumping on the ridicule bandwagon is not even giving the series a chance. It is an entirely unconstructive manner of watching/following anime/manga, in my opinion. I didn't want to say it out loud earlier, but honestly I shared Kurusu's earlier sentiment about not wanting to see your blog posts linked to this thread because anybody with such strong preconceived notions about what was 'good' and what 'should happen' could only inevitably be disappointed and ruin the enjoyment of other readers of this manga. For my part, Soul Eater being a shounen series, I have always thought it was obvious that aside from the main meister combination of Soul/Maka, the other main characters were Kid and Black Star, not their weapons. My own favourite character being Tsubaki, it is not as if I have not been feeling the disappointment of side character neglect but nonetheless, the reality of who and what Ohkubo has focused his development on allows me to accept it as perfectly valid and natural that not only was Black Star the one destined to rescue Kid, but that he would even go so far as to do it without bringing along Tsubaki. That Liz and Patty (judging from the spoilers I have now been exposed to) received more character development than plot relevance/action in this arc is not really a sign of bad writing; it's a sign of the author keeping his focus. |
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You don't read many blogs, do you? I think you're taking waaaaaay too much offense at the fact that some people enjoy making fun of a series that you apparently hold in high regard. Just because things are linked here doesn't mean that you have to read them. Quote:
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As for the rest of your post, well. I'm kind of amazed that you would argue that a person expressing opinions about what makes "good" writing or how a story "should" end would actually ruin the enjoyment of the manga for you. Isn't that exactly what y'all are regularly doing in the discussions on this thread, anyway? (And you guys are addressing these questions so much more seriously than I am, too!) And heck, I didn't even participate in this thread until now - I kept all of my own opinions on my own blog, where nobody was forcing you to read them! I hope that you can at least appreciate the irony of accusing me of "looking down from a position of superiority" while at the same time you're the one kvetching about what makes one a TRUE FAN of a series or not. Again: There's a pretty large Soul Eater fandom community outside of this discussion board that engages with the source text from a "we mock because we love" perspective, and if you don't understand that perspective, that's okay, but it certainly doesn't give you the right to dismiss a huge segment of the fandom as "not constructive" or whatever just because they don't share your perspective on the text. |
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Soul Eater is not a 'piss-poorly executed silly kiddie manga'. For what it is trying to be, it is in fact a very solidly executed shounen manga. Being a shounen manga, there are certain quirks and aspects of it which it follows because they are conventions of the genre. Rather than ridiculing them and calling them bad, you should simply understand that they aren't for you and move on from them. Quote:
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2010-10-16, 04:21 | Link #2012 |
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^Leave it, her way of enjoying is different from us, so respect that.
It's the craziness and the crassness what makes of it one of the most entertaining enjoyable and best manga there are currently. If it lacked one of these two traits it wouldn't be Soul Eater. Now get back on topic, Spoiler for spoiler:
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I don't know what to say to that other than to point out that I've been reading shounen manga for over fifteen years now - and mostly in its original Japanese, too - and IRL I've written several serious academic papers (one published and another submitted for publication right now) about the stylistic conventions of several manga categories, including shounen. So trust me, I understand the conventions of the genre. If you're not trying to argue with me then you're doing an awfully good job of passively-agressively insulting me while doing so. Being a livejournal recapper, there are certain quirks and aspects of my recapping that follow because they are conventions of a genre. Rather than ridiculing my blogging and calling it bad, you should simply understand that it isn't for you and move on. :P Quote:
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Because I'm a sore loser and do have a history of passive-aggressively engaging people, allow me to indulge in one more post.
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2010-10-16, 07:22 | Link #2015 |
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^Hey, leave her do whatever she prefer. If she wants to keep mocking anything only for the sake of entertain the few who read these recaps, let her be. What amuses me is why she keeps reading it if she thinks it's that bad, seriously.
That said, mocking absurdly one of the best manga that are currently being published is kind of idiotic if you ask me, but let her be... Last edited by Homura7; 2010-10-16 at 07:42. |
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2010-10-16, 08:48 | Link #2017 |
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For God sake I can't believe I'm reading such an amount of nonsense.
So now if you like a series you don't read spoilers? if you like a series you can't say a single bad thing about it or the author? you can't have fun with it? Whoa, thanks, I lived in a lie for so long. I can tell one thing, Soul Eater is my favourite manga, in fact is the ONLY manga I currently read. And because I love the series so much if the author does something out of the blue or lame I'm going to complain, because I want it to be good not bad. I read spoilers because I can't wait to know what is next, I wait eagerly for each month 11th. Of course if he does something epic I will say it too. And since you insist in how nenena critizises the manga she also has praised it when it's good, you are only reading what you want, right? talking about giving opinions without having reading the whole thing, are we? And shonen rules? You so much love Ohkubo, he actually detest the shonens which follow those rules, he himself say. The fun is nenena was called a fangirl, when the fangirl are you, idolizing an author and refusing to see anything wrong there may be. And even more, for the wrong reasons. Ohkubo main aim is not to do a shonen following the shonen rules, neither to make a serious story but a fun one, he stated those himself, now go you and contradict the creator. "the few who read these recaps" Those few happens to be way more than the 4 people on this forum, I'm sure even more than the whole people discussing the chapter in the whole internet. |
2010-10-16, 09:01 | Link #2018 |
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There's only something I learned. A manga without flaws doesn't exist.
Same here, Soul Eater is one of my top manga but, aren't all the authors pretty much the same? Don't they do sometimes things we might not like? Do the things we think Ohkubo could be doing wrong decrease the quality of the work? NO, as long as it keeps its consistency. So, what are we discussing for then? |
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Because let's review what just happened in this thread: I was linked here because _kurusu_ was complaining about my spoilers not being detailed enough and had misunderstood the source of the spoilers; I only showed up to clarify the factual misconception (that I could only translate what was provided by the blogger that I quoted, lack of detail be damned). Notice how I never commented about _kurusu_'s earlier post that said something less-than-nice about my blog. Because it didn't matter - I can't force anybody to like my blogging and everybody's entitled to their own opinion about it - and it's water under the bridge anyway, because _kurusu_ apologized for it. Which was the mature thing to do. It would have ended there. Like I stated, I wasn't here to start an argument. I had no more business in this thread once that fact was cleared up. But then you showed up out of the blue and posted over a thousand words of ranting and insults. You made your opinion incredibly personal and insulting, stating that I wasn't a true fan of the series, that I wanted it to do poorly, that I was insecure about enjoying it (still LOLing over the insanity of that one), that anybody who read or gave spoilers wasn't a true fan of the series, that I was ruining the series for you, that I just didn't understand shounen manga tropes, that I wasn't being a fan in a "constructive" way, that my enjoyment of the series is WRONG WRONG WRONG. You complain about other people, I dunno, having fun in a way that you don't approve of and therefore somehow ruining the fandom or whatever, yet you're the one flinging the poo and pissing on the parade here. Notice how I never once insulted your reading of the series, your high regard for Ohkubo, or your preferred way of engaging in fannish discussions. Yet YOU still feel the need to come back and hurl more insults at me, such as: Quote:
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At least own up to what you're really arguing here. Or do the right thing and drop the subject. Or better yet, do both. I reserve the right to make a public defense of myself when I am publicly insulted. Which is why I'm still replying here. But you're the one who started it, and you're the one who has the power to end it: If you have more to say to me, then take it to PM. I don't think that anybody in this thread wants to read any more of this argument. Or actually be the bigger person and drop the subject. You said that you weren't good at that, but maybe now is the time to start improving. |
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Please can't this senseless argument just stop? Can't we all agree to disagree, call it a day and happily talk about a manga we all enjoy albeit for different reasons and in different ways?
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