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View Poll Results: Hyouka - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 12 | 21.05% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 20 | 35.09% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 21.05% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 14.04% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 7.02% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.75% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-06-18, 01:11 | Link #22 |
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I was gonna give it a 7 but then again I kept laughing at how a drunk Chitanda graced the screen.
I remember that K-ON doujin where Mugi brought brandy chocolates and everyone except Mugi got drunk. Coincidentally, in that doujin, Ritsu passed out. Here we see a passed out Chitanda. |
2012-06-18, 01:30 | Link #23 |
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Mother of drunk Chitanda, that was adorable. A little interested in why everybody seems to look towards Oreki instead of the literature club as a whole. Rumors be spreading.
I never realized how だいじょおおうぶ could sound so adorable.
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2012-06-18, 02:20 | Link #24 |
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Dat Irisu!
Also, does anyone know the OST/track that was playing when Houtarou was walking back home near the end of the episode, before he sees Irisu? I have to say, the best thing about this series is the relaxing mood Hyouka sets - I absolutely love the calming classic music, and the colors and animation just makes everything amazing.
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2012-06-18, 03:31 | Link #26 | |
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Spoiler for Reasons:
The only thing that throws off Kounosu's suspiciousness is... Spoiler for This:
I really don't know whether or not there's coincidence in all of that... but if there is, the only other one that would be suspected would be Sugimura (the boy with glasses), Spoiler for However...:
As for the method used that you mentioned: Spoiler for Few things:
Now the last question would be... " Spoiler for Why?:
You also mention the seventh person complicating things.. Spoiler for But:
So what would this seventh person be? Spoiler for Most likely...:
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2012-06-18, 03:57 | Link #27 | |
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I kinda wonder if Chitanda getting drunk was just for comedy's sake. I'm inclined to think so, but you never know. She bit her lip when Satoshi mentioned that people mix up horror and mystery a lot, so that's probably why she doesn't like the mystery genre. It's pretty cute . Also, I think the window is a red herring. It's even mentioned that Hongou didn't even care about it. I don't understand at all... |
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2012-06-18, 05:26 | Link #28 |
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It's probably not the author intention, but I feel like the comment about "beginner usually mix horror and mystery together" is directed to the critiques that say Hyouka is boring because nothing "interesting" happened. Hyouka is a mystery alright. It just a little unusual that it has no horror at all (so far). Even the most similar story on top of my head, Bungaku Shoujo, has some horror elements in it.
I started to appreciate the double layers of the mystery in the movie. Not only you have to put together facts showed in the movie itself, but you have to combine them with the production facts as well. The last girl theory is a good example of that. Considering that it's a movie for general audience, mystery/horror mixing sounds like a good idea. But then the other fact about production (among of blood) refuse the theory. This make it starting to go beyond what I can (or want to) solve though. All three of them certainly singled out Houtarou. I'd say Irisu told them to some extend that he is the guy who could help, but probably mentioned that they should not only focus on him as to not let the classic club know that the rest are just extra. It's also interesting that Chitanda can always tell when a theory does not fit. She just cannot point out why. Last time he went on a drink with a girl, he got a pretty big mystery to solve. Let's see what Houtarou will get this time. |
2012-06-18, 05:33 | Link #29 |
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Supposedly, Hongou was following the Knox rules for writing mystery fiction. This means that the culprit has to be someone mentioned in the first part of the story. So, a seventh person should be ruled out.
...Or is it? Because there is also a cameraman there, and there's a guy doing the voiceover who is probably the same person. We don't get to see him, but it's possible that he's actually meant to "be" there in the video. The camera is shaky; we hear his footsteps as he goes to focus on the table. The murder takes place during the time the camera isn't rolling. He would see which rooms everyone went to and could have taken the master key. Would he have been able to commit the murder unnoticed? But I don't know if that would be enough to qualify for the "The blind spot of 10,000 people" . I do like the theory that perhaps the alterations made by the cast and crew made it impossible for the crime to have gone as Hongou planned. Still, none of those options explains fully why in the chat room at the start of the episode, one person (Irisu?) said "No need to apologise. You were just in the wrong place at the wrong time". Then there's also the bit later with "But no matter what I do, it won't play out the way you intended." Very suspicious. Was somebody in the wrong place on the set during the filming, or was there something that changed between Hongou's trip to scope the location out and the actual filming? |
2012-06-18, 05:39 | Link #30 |
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So let me get this straight: Hongou didn't volunteer to write the script? What's more, she didn't even have a choice as to the movie's genre?
Maybe this is just me, but it sounds like Hongou didn't have much say at all in this matter to begin with. This is only speculation, but she might have been forced into writing the script one way or another. If you ask me, the heart of this little mystery lies in knowing the actual circumstances behind the creation of the movie. If that's the case, those minutes could be a valuable clue. As for the movie mystery solving, it was nice to see three entirely different perspectives of looking at "mystery", even if two out of the three hypotheses were massive misinterpretations of the genre. It was interesting to see different takes on what the genre "should be". Spoiler for theories:
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2012-06-18, 05:46 | Link #31 | |
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Still, I think the hinting at looking to cast a 7th actor is probably more a clue about the overarching mystery with the film's team. If the writer had someone in mind to play the seventh role, we've probably met them already. |
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2012-06-18, 06:00 | Link #32 |
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Looking at the notes of the Holmes books, I read up on a couple of the stories that had a "O" next to the title which I assume where clues or stories Hongou liked. The triangles I assume were maybes and the X were dislikes. Others can look at the others but this is just a start to kind of pick the writer's brain.
The Three Garridebs uses the trap door... Sussex Vampire uses poison and sucking the poison out, also envy is prominent. The Man With the Twisted Lip Uses doubles (7th actor). The Problem of Thor Bridge uses suicide and framing others. Adventure of the Illustrious Client Last edited by Calca; 2012-06-18 at 06:12. |
2012-06-18, 07:04 | Link #33 |
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That was pretty damn intense stuff there. I was having to pause it several times just to take it all in and that's all I can do. I don't know jack about mystery so I'm not even bothering trying to speculate. But I just find it rather funny that some were seriously doubting this show was a mystery and were even debating what a mystery was when this show itself appears to have some pretty hardcore knowledge of the mystery genre.
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2012-06-18, 08:47 | Link #36 |
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Drunk Chitanda was so much fun. Her little laughing fit after Maya asked if she was okay was adorable <3
Sounds like a solid theory. It fits what was written in the script. Hongou specifically said the girls should stay back while the boys examine the body, so one of them could have thrown the key without the others noticing. The girls' screams could have been used to cover the sound of the key being thrown. This theory doesn't account for the rope and the seventh actor though. I believe those are very important clue, though I have no idea what to make of them (second guy's theory was stupid). I'm feeling too lazy to actively try to solve this mystery (especially since I'm not convinced we have all the clues required yet), so I'll just let the anime carry me~
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2012-06-18, 09:20 | Link #37 |
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I wonder if all the tidbits laid out are useful.
In any case, only thing that grab my attention was the 7th person theory and the rope. Though I'm beginning to think, just how credible is the film. It the amount of blood was necessary then they would've messed something up by adding more to it. Spoiler for If I were to speculate a wild theory what the rope was used for....:
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2012-06-18, 11:48 | Link #38 |
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So the mystery about the mystery movie's ending continues.
They sure debated about it a whole lot. Chi sure got tipsy from that alcoholic candy ^^ She was even cuter that usual 'cause of it. Guess this case is far from over..
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2012-06-18, 12:29 | Link #39 | |
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If this isn't it then I'm totally stumped. It's so annoying that I'm having a tough time staying on task at work. |
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2012-06-18, 12:35 | Link #40 | |
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About Kounosu herself. I still think she said "I have a bad feeling about this" to mislead the others (it would sound like she doesn't know what's about to happen and therefore is just as "in the dark" about the murder when it occurs). There's also the potential that it was a line added in carelessly by Hongou to create tension and build suspense, in the most well-known and overused method possible. I don't think there's accomplices. For a game of murder for two, they'd both have to have not been spotted by anyone else, and the only ones who left in pairs were far away on the opposite side of the building. It was established at one point that heading for the master key would have been an easy catch for someone who might have wandered back. If it's a 5 man conspiracy, then even Hongou wouldn't have had them all travel into the room together, act surprised and conduct an introductory search. They might go as far as showing the body, but nothing past that. Speaking of that, the trapdoor was probably used so the criminal wouldn't be spotted. My guess was that the three rooms downstairs were connected via trapdoors, and afterwards Kounosu slipped into the one beside the safe and ended up at the window she came in through...a few rooms over. What if she walked over, somebody came back, spotted her and began heading over to Kaitou was, having seen Kounosu do the same? She can't exactly play it off that he's dead anymore. However, if she went back the way she came and simply pulled the rope back up, nobody would be the wiser and everything would be in place. Of course, I say Kounosu as just a guess; the modus operandi simply fits her best at the moment, especially since it was accentuated that the rope was a requested prop and Kounosu was to use it. As for the blind spot? It's too vague to really go off of, but what interests me is that it's a blind spot for 10,000 people. Is it referring to an in-show audience? It could even be something else. Is it a psychological or optical blind spot? This phrase can be tied into anything that's easy to miss, so it wouldn't be fair to deduce yet.
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