Danganronpa - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[~Yami~]

Originally Posted by Nvis

I want to know is how she got into Naegi's room?

she stalked him.... hacked his door's lock

reason?? love interest
just kidding though

well, since Kirigiri always go somewhere and just pop out again from nowhere, I think her mysterious life should be revealed soon

[Solitaired]

Obviously she received the Dokodemo Door from Doraemon duh. Super Kirigiri can go everywhere she wants.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ~Yami~

she stalked him.... hacked his door's lock

reason?? love interest
just kidding though

well, since Kirigiri always go somewhere and just pop out again from nowhere, I think her mysterious life should be revealed soon

Reminder:

Spoiler for Ishimaru's testimony about dorm locks:

All the dormitory doors have an anti-picking mechanism, and can therefore not be 'hacked'.
This was said/Should have been said by Ishimaru a few days before Maizono was killed.

About Naegi not wondering how she got into the room:
This is actually an anime only mistake.

Spoiler for EP 9 - cut content:

Neagi actually asked her how she got into his room, and she told him that he forgot to lock the door, also scolding him for being so carefree.
Naegi was surprised about the fact that he forgot to lock it.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Spoiler for Missing Parts:

-The trial indeed started with Aoi accusing the trio. However, they had to prove that they went to see Sakura at the recreation room.
This worked on Yashuro, because Makoto noticed that Yasuhiro dropped some candy wrap when they talked each other, and this candy was from Aoi given to Sakura and no one else, and that's after the incident in the infirmary. Therefore, there is no way for Yasuhiro to have candy from Sakura "before".

-Yasuhiro admits seeing Sakura in the end, but states he didn't do anything else. He quickly jumps on the fact it is Touko, because there was evidence: a magazine had the word "Fukawa" written in blood in there.
However, Kyouko mentions it doesn't make sense for him to know that because Aoi strictly forbids the trio to investigate the room. Hence only her, Makoto and Kyouko would know of this piece of evidence. Also, even when they were present during the corpse discovery, the magazine was still in the rack, so there is no way for him to see the "dying message". Also, Sakura's hands were clean, so no way for the latter to have wrote it. The only possible conclusion is that Yasuhiro planted it.

-Yasuhiro gave up and admit he did, because he "killed Sakura". However, something doesn't make sense: the magazine was in the rack, making it more difficult to find, if it wasn't for the fact it was upside down. However, he states he left it on the ground.
Of course, the only possible suspect is Touko, because that fake evidence is inconvenient to her alone.
Touko claims it doesn't matter since Yasuhiro admits his "crime", but something is off. After Yasuhiro explains again what he did, but it conflicts with Kyouko's testimony that Sakura was struck twice.
Touko doesn't get how she found out that, but Kyouko says that not only the wounds match up, but when you look at the bottles on the shelf, it is clear there are 2 missing bottles, not only one. There is another evidence there were 6 bottles overall: each bottle had a different chess piece. On the shelf, there were: Pawn, Rook, Bishop, King. The broken Bottle had the knight piece. Therefore, the queen piece is missing. Touko claims it is possible the piece was missing to begin with, but Kyouko and Makoto did an experiment during the investigation: the remaining glass shards are heavier than a pristine bottle. Which means the culprit took off the piece and some shards, but not enough.

-Yasuhiro also testify he saw Touko going in the rec room a lil before Sakura went in. That's why he entered, thinking he would be fine if there was someone else, but he got scared shitless because he was then alone with Sakura.
In the end, Makoto proves Touko was there due to the handprints found in the locket of the rec room. Byakuya made them cut the chase and order Touko to answer, to which is begrudgedly confirms.

-Touko left the locker immediately after Yasuhiro left, so that she would be able to deal with the fake evidence. However, Sakura was still alive and Touko saw her after putting the magazine back in the rack. As explained in the anime, Touko fainted because of Sakura's bloody face, and Genocider Shou counterattacked as she woke up.

-Aoi insists again they should cast their vote, but Byakuya stops on her track, saying something doesn't add up there. Like in the anime, Shou hit Sakura close to the magazine rack, but it doesn't make sense with Sakura's corpse location. Shou says there is no way she could move Sakura's corpse like that, and Kyouko states it doesn't explain the closed room either. Aoi claims Touko hide there until they opened the room, but it doesn't make sense because when they were trying to open the door, Makoto and Kyouko saw the locket was already open, so there was no way for Touko/Shou to hide in the rec room.

-They debate on the way she died, and Aoi claims it is Touko/Shou's strike, but Makoto points out that the Monokuma File stated Sakura vomited a large quantity of blood. Byakuya is certain it is due to poison, and he presents the C-9 bottle found in the cabinet A. Byakuya claims the culprit switched out the bottles and prove it by drinking it, like in the anime.
It is basically the same: proving who is the culprit with the footprints found at the chemical lab. Trivia: Makoto was also wearing sneakers in the game, so when they investigated the chemical lab, Byakuya checked on the spot Makoto's shoes.

-Aoi is admiting she "did it" but Kyouko stops her on her tracks, refusing such conclusion. While Aoi remains silent and apologetic, Byakuya claims this game isn't stuck with morality, dogma whatsoever. However, Kyouko still doesn't accept that Aoi could be the culprit, because there is still something unexplained: the closed room.
Aoi claims it doesn't matter how she constructed the closed room, but Kyouko wonders why she can't tell them. Byakuya can't believe she believes someone else is the murderer.
Makoto agrees there is something fishy: it doesn't make sense for Aoi not to do something about the footprints left blatantly in the chemical lab. Aoi claims she was in a hurry and didn't realize she left footprints.

-Kyouko asks Aoi how she swapped the poison and protein drink, while Byakuya complains there is no suspect other than her. Aoi pretends she went for the C cabinet for the poison bottle, dropping another one, then went to the A cabinet. This doesn't make sense because the footprints clearly indicate she went straight to the A cabinet and left afterwards. There is no footprint coming from C cabinet to A cabinet. Yasuhiro speculates she went the long way to avoid leaving footprints from the C cabinet, but it contradicts Aoi's statement she didn't pay attention at all. At this point, Byakuya has no idea what's going on. Thereafter, Kyouko says there is another piece of evidence, the glass shard in the poison bottle. Since there was a shard in there, it had to be there when the room was unsealed by Makoto's rash action. Therefore, this bottle was in the room before that point, hence Aoi picked the bottle when they unsealed the room, and swapped only after that with the protein drink container. Byakuya says the poison bottle was swapped afterwards, but the protein bottle could have been there already, which kyouko asks if anyone has "kicked" the container. Since no one did, it is obvious it was brought after the room was unsealed, because of the glass shards being underneath it.

-Makoto and Kyouko prove it was Sakura all along who brought the poison bottle at the rec room, due to the powder on her shoes. Hence it is the evidence it was Sakura who spilled the first poison bottle.
Therefore, it has to be Sakura who took the poison, and drink the poison herself. This also explains how the closed room was constructed.
Recalling how it went, Kyouko and Makoto also add Aoi's behaviour was too weird: instead of rushing to Sakura's side, she went looking for the others, obviously using her athletic abilities to run to the chem lab and pick a protein container before looking for the trio.

-The rest remains more or less the same, although it was Aoi who explained what happened after the infirmary scene, not Makoto. Then, when Monokuma reveals the real suicide note, things are a tad different.
After Makoto claims Sakura didn't die in vain, Monokuma is really pissed off by this pseudo "fake friendship", saying it is the kids fault and all, to which Byakuya agrees. While Monokuma is relieved that someone finally get it, Byakuya says he won't take part of the game anymore. He also explains why: The game is a matter of giving your all in a life and death situation, but since Sakura and Aoi rejected the very fundamental point of the game, people are no longer afraid of the game. At this point, it is pointless for him since the excitment of the game is no longer there.

-Of course, AE's execution was shocking to everyone. To begin with, when Monokuma declared there will be an execution, people thought he will execute Aoi regardless, but since the culprit is already dead, he indeed prefer a special guest for that.
After the execution, Makoto was downright pissed off like no tomorrow, as AE was one of them. Of course, Monokuma doesn't get why he is so upset over a lame laptop.
As Kyouko questions him, Monokuma says he knew from the start that Chihiro was fixing the laptop and knew about its content. However he let it slide on purpose as a "reward" should they are able to decrypt the data. Nothing more nothing less. However, AE being connected to the network was not in his plan at all, so the moment he realized what AE was doing, he took action.
Makoto claims once again AE's "death" wasn't in vain, just like everyone else's. Makoto says their deaths make them stronger and will drive this point to Monokuma at the right moment.

I pretty much agree with all that you've said here. However, there's also.

Spoiler for Something missing that happened in the game:

The part where Monokuma explains that Asahina found the fake suicide note near the Rec room, while the real suicide note was left in Asahina's room. Monokuma also pointed out that he didn't sign the fake suicide note. Scolding Asahina for acting based on "Some random scribbles he put on a piece of paper.". Once again enforcing the fact that Monokuma is manipulative and does things to make people draw the wrong conclusions, but does not tell lies.

I would like to point out, however, that most of the cases in the game also had one or two unused pieces of evidence.

[Anh_Minh]

Called it... But Sakura was really easy to hit and render unconscious, for a "Super Duper High School Fighter".

[miroku2192]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Called it... But Sakura was really easy to hit and render unconscious, for a "Super Duper High School Fighter".

The back part of your head, I believe, is the weakest part of your body (hence the bowing nature of Japanese people). No amount of training can properly prepare you for a glass bottle struck on the back of your head. If it was anywhere else I'm sure she would've been fine.

[Haiprbim]

Now this, laddies and gentlemen, was rushed hardcore.
Good episode, but extremely rushed overall.

Originally Posted by miroku2192

The back part of your head, I believe, is the weakest part of your body (hence the bowing nature of Japanese people).

I'm pretty sure us males have a much more weaker part of the body, but to keep it appropriate, I won't directly discuss what it is.

[frodonk]

I remember somebody saying something about not revealing clues that were not shown in the episode yet, turns out it is irrelevant, since the anime only wants to shown evidence after it makes a character state a possible reason for it, and almost always during the classroom trial itself.

just because of that, by not showing the viewer the big picture, this fails as a detective series. I mean it is fun to follow the characters around as they try to find evidence on whodunnit, but if they suddenly pull out evidence out of their backside, like how togami only revealed that bottle when he was about to present his theory, or when kirigiri showed the shard from inside the bottle, then the viewer would naturally think "What the? where did that come from?"

never mind that they didn't show that part about the candy wrapper and the magazine or that they weighed the shards scene from the game, I'm sure they were not brought up because they couldn't find a way (or maybe the time) to insert it during the classroom trial.

but all of that is irrelevant now, I think there won't be any more deaths from here on, and the confrontation with the mastermind/16th student is about to begin.

I'm interested in what was said about their bodies being modified, and how the 16th student is the super duper HS despair, what does that even mean?

[ookamigirl]

So it's the trial for Ohgami's murder.
Lots of discussions and false assumptions.
Never would have guessed who the culprit was.
Then again, I never managed to guess a single one so far.
Some people just can't deal with grief normally..

[Kirito]

Originally Posted by JShaggy

It could mean that this Mukuro person is the real puppet master of this story and that Monokuma (whom for some reason reminds me of Jigsaw from the Saw movies) was nothing more than a "co-conspirator" to the overall plot. For whatever reason Mukuro would want everyone to live without hope is something we will likely find out before the series ends.

Good point, but there are many possibilities of who Mukuro could be, but she seems more of an accomplice rather than a Puppetmaster. I mean, granted in the Saw films there was Jigsaw, an accomplice, and an apprentice of sorts to carry on his work, but if that were the case why would the Puppetmaster need to an make an appearance to dirty his own hands. He may have dumped the gasoline, but it was those were killed and got executed as a result who lit the match. Mukuro could be the Puppetmaster, but it sounds a little too predictable considering that we found we've not heard a seen (attacker in the mask) this character, and doesn't really sound that convincing. I mean isn't the best way of going about it is to go with "The villain is someone whom we least expect it to be?". I wonder if they'll keep that formula, who knows, but I wonder what action Mukuro is going to take next now that we know that she's the hidden student we couldn't identify until now.

Originally Posted by HandofFate

dang, decent episode.
RIP Oogami. Thought that Aoi really was the killer for a sec.

The 'execution' of the laptop was kind of funny. At least it feels no pain...

That's really sad considering that Aoi nearly almost did if Makoko and Kirigiri didn't kept their focus and doubts in check. Monokuma took advantage of her emotional weakness to nearly murder all the others...yeah, what a troll. He must be pissed off that he can't have a proper execution since there was no proper villain due to Oogami's suicide.

I was crushed was Alter Ego got smashed. I really liked the little guy!

Originally Posted by ~Yami~

the only question left is...... how did Kirigiri know about 16th student's stuff?

She most likely snuck into someplace similar to that hidden passage in that second floor bathroom. It'll most likely that she had what little time to know about this Mukuro character when she asked Makoto to go to the Data Processing Room, only to show up moments later to warm him about the hidden student.

Originally Posted by frodonk

I'm interested in what was said about their bodies being modified, and how the 16th student is the super duper HS despair, what does that even mean?

Memory loss could be a factor because of those random pictures we've seem of the others (dead and alive) playing together etc. HS Despair, it could have to do with that Mankind's Malefaction thing that Alter Ego mentioned a couple of episodes ago. Since it hasn't been explored yet, it must hold some importance to the why the others are locked up and what the Puppetmaster and Mukuro's objectives are.

[Solitaired]

If it is any help, Ikusaba Mukuro in Japanese is 戦刃 むくろ

[Kanon]

Sakura was the best girl. She never lost hope and sacrificed herself for her friends' sake. RIP.

[Solitaired]

But I have to admit its a unfair to the anime viewers, which also is the largest flaw of the game.

It is impossible for any anime viewer or gamer to deduce the mole (lol @ tea) because the mole did not do a single thing at all. No suspicious actions at all. And the 16th student Ikusaba Mukuro is a brand new character, though whether he/she has any connections to the Puppetmaster is up in the air.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by frodonk

I remember somebody saying something about not revealing clues that were not shown in the episode yet, turns out it is irrelevant, since the anime only wants to shown evidence after it makes a character state a possible reason for it, and almost always during the classroom trial itself.

just because of that, by not showing the viewer the big picture, this fails as a detective series. I mean it is fun to follow the characters around as they try to find evidence on whodunnit, but if they suddenly pull out evidence out of their backside, like how togami only revealed that bottle when he was about to present his theory, or when kirigiri showed the shard from inside the bottle, then the viewer would naturally think "What the? where did that come from?"

never mind that they didn't show that part about the candy wrapper and the magazine or that they weighed the shards scene from the game, I'm sure they were not brought up because they couldn't find a way (or maybe the time) to insert it during the classroom trial.

but all of that is irrelevant now, I think there won't be any more deaths from here on, and the confrontation with the mastermind/16th student is about to begin.

I'm interested in what was said about their bodies being modified, and how the 16th student is the super duper HS despair, what does that even mean?

Togami did the same thing with the bottle in the game.
You also only get Sakura's part of the testimony regarding who took the knife during the trial.

Its actually reasonable for a detective series to get new clues after someone has already formed a valid theory. Take "Still Life murder", for example where

Spoiler for Spoiler for Still Life murder- Mystery novel:

You hear at the very beginning that the culprit was called by a special reference; the only thing you hear about it is that the witness believed it was a politician due to it - this gets dismissed until after, the detective already made an accusation, then it is revealed that the the culprit got referred to as councilor, which is a reference to District Attorneys as well as certain politicians in the US.

As to why the anime seems to do this a lot more often than the game I can only guess that its done to make stuff a bit harder.
The game pretty much floods you with evidence and only case 2s culprit as well as parts of case 6 are a bit harder.

@ Super duper highschool despair:
I think i can say that much without spoilering anything:

Its simple their title.
Naegi for example is the super highschool level luckster
Togami the Super highschool level Scion and so on

Originally Posted by Solitaired

though whether he/she has any connections to the Puppetmaster is up in the air.

Actually, you can deduce whether they have anything to do with each other from stuff Monokuma said throughout the series. But yes the mole was a red hering, supposed to distract people from other stuff.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Called it... But Sakura was really easy to hit and render unconscious, for a "Super Duper High School Fighter".

She was not unconcious, she simply didn't fight back because she didn't want to. After that Asahina discovered her, and got sent away again to get her some protein coffee.
While Asahina got the protein (Which Oogami claims helps healing wounds in no time early in the game), Ogami drank the poison.

[White Manju Bun]

Anyone else find it interesting that on the vote thingy, PsychoBear is one of the choices?

[Dengar]

Monokuma is the ultimate troll, of course his face appears on the reel. Due to his status as a troll, it's hard to say whether this is significant or not.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Sute443

And I second the question of how Kirigiri got into Naegi's room.

Kirigiri is to Naegi what Homura is to Madoka. In other words, she'll find a way. She'll always find a way.

Anyway, Klash is probably right that this adaptation lacks a bit in brains. But it makes up for it with some incredibly visceral emotionality. These seiyu must be having the time of their lives in these roles (other than Kirigiri's seiyu, perhaps, as she's the one who has to act cool, calm, and collected all the time).

[Dengar]

The game does explain how Kirigiri got in. It's sad to see the anime skip over such minor, yet crucial parts.

[JShaggy]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Kirigiri is to Naegi what Homura is to Madoka. In other words, she'll find a way. She'll always find a way.

With that kind of comparison, you have to wonder if Kirigiri did anything else while she was in Naegi's room.

[Dengar]

Well, if you are really desperate to know how she got in I'll just refer to this post made not long ago.

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

About Naegi not wondering how she got into the room:
This is actually an anime only mistake.

Spoiler for EP 9 - cut content:

Neagi actually asked her how she got into his room, and she told him that he forgot to lock the door, also scolding him for being so carefree.
Naegi was surprised about the fact that he forgot to lock it.