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Not so random. Highly ridiculous. Might be serous nonetheless.
What if Kyrie was jealous of different people in different times, for a grand total of 18 years, and the first person she was jealous of was not Asumu, but ... ... ..Eva? Because Eva bore Rudolf's child. Why is it even possible to consider? Here.
Renall's idea that all the people we know as Kinzo's children are actually adopted, so children between them actually share no genes meshes with that well. And Rudolf might end up the father of all four people known as Ushiromiya Kinzo's grandchildren, (Remember, Maria's father is unknown). Yes, I'm pretty sure the murders would have to have been committed by an archivist after that.
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2010-06-30, 09:56 | Link #12243 | |
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...yet. EDIT: The next thought on the logical chain is that there has to be something responsible for such problems with pregnancy, and it is probably tied to the island itself...
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2010-06-30, 10:02 | Link #12244 | |
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I was mostly kidding about the adoption thing. Absence of evidence that Kinzo is the biological father of his children does not itself prove they aren't. And I've never really doubted the parentage of anybody but Battler and maybe Jessica. I mean, could it be true? I guess... but is it really ever hinted? You'd think Kinzo's wife would kinda notice. She seemed more concerned with where he was running off to than you'd figure she would be if she suspected he had a "real" child.
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2010-06-30, 10:12 | Link #12245 | |
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Mind you, I don't seriously think this is it, yet, but I do think the Beatrice2==Asumu fits very well if it were not for Kyrie's jealousy "for 18 years" and the above is one possible way it could have started six years early. I mean, wouldn't she be jealous because someone else gets to have Rudolf's first child?...
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2010-06-30, 11:02 | Link #12247 | |
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EDIT: Abstract addendum. Even individual component parts and minor variations of this entire mess of a theory sink whole fleets of ships -- ships which Ryukishi is passively encouraging otherwise... Which is why a plot like this would be the perfect thing to pull to keep the proper solution in the dark for as long as possible.
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2010-06-30, 11:41 | Link #12248 |
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Tangent.
07151129 hypotheses. Even two of them. I think both are fresh, or at least well-forgotten.
It is possible for both of these hypotheses to be true.
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2010-06-30, 12:40 | Link #12249 |
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But according to Rosa in EP6, Maria's father went oversea and then vanished after leaving her promised bride with a tons of debts to pay.
Of course you might still think this is a lie either from the Game Master Battler or some Rosa delusion to cover the incestuous truth...
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2010-06-30, 12:46 | Link #12250 | |
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Mind you, I don't think this is it either, but something is fishy here... George's family history is strangely too smooth and clean compared to any of his cousins, and he is born strangely late.
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2010-06-30, 12:55 | Link #12251 |
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Do we have any guess at when Hideyoshi and Eva got married? If they got married after Natsuhi and Krauss it might not be so weird to have that 7 year gap especially if you go by a theory that says Natsuhi was too young to have kids at the time or that they decided to finally have one later. Or that convincing Kinzo to let Hideyoshi into the family took awhile.
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2010-06-30, 12:58 | Link #12252 | |
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2010-06-30, 13:03 | Link #12253 |
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If we look at how Hideyoshi and Eva are, i wouldnt be surprised that Eva checked his background first before even dating in order to look for a man who'd impress Kinzo which is why it took long. Hideyoshi has no family, and his business grew from 0 and succeeded, its just all too perfect for Eva. Was Eva already married to him before his business started?
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2010-06-30, 13:17 | Link #12254 | |
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You see, Eva gets her idea to hijack heirship by observing the marriage of Krauss+Natsuhi for six months. This is about when the signs of pregnancy would become immediately obvious, and Eva's idea is obviously influenced by the fact that they weren't there. The very idea wouldn't occur to Eva if she didn't think Krauss and Natsuhi are trying for a baby, or should be. If Eva thought Natsuhi doesn't want to have a child, the idea would be doomed to fail, as then there is no chance for Eva to find a suitable partner and give birth before Natsuhi changes her mind under pressure, let alone convince Kinzo. Therefore, Eva has to assume that Natsuhi is trying, but it isn't working. But unless Eva has a guarantee that Natsuhi cannot get pregnant, she needs to act very fast because with time, if Natsuhi has a static low probability of getting pregnant, the probability of a child that will shut Eva off from her plan approaches 1. It may have taken a year or two to convince Kinzo, granted. However, he would not be receptive to the idea at all if he did not want a grandchild, and Eva would not think of the plan if she didn't think Krauss and Natsuhi are trying to have one or should be. Therefore, Kinzo expected the child of his eldest son as soon as possible. Which means that Kinzo's resolve not to let an outsider into the family should have weakened relatively fast. I find it very unlikely for Kinzo to be waiting for seven years, which is why I find the gap so problematic. George is 23 years old, that much is known. Jessica is 18. 12-5=7 year gap.
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2010-06-30, 13:52 | Link #12255 |
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I provided what I think to be a decent answer for 07151129.
Seriously though, Rudolph tapping both Eva and Rosa? I mean Maria is probably retarded but really? I interject my theory, Rudolph impregnated his mother, Kumasawa, Eva, Rosa, Asumu, human Beatrice, and 12 other people. BALLER! Wasn't it said that Kinzo disliked Rudolph? Last edited by Smeckledorf; 2010-06-30 at 14:07. |
2010-06-30, 13:54 | Link #12256 |
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New tips from Ryu07 (copied from Umineko wiki):
Spoiler for Longggg:
Care to explain what it says? (My meager knowledge of Japanese told me that it is related to Shkanon...)
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2010-06-30, 13:57 | Link #12257 | |
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You're naturally welcome to explain why was Eva dilly-dallying for seven years rather than three, or consider the entire matter completely inconsequential like everyone else does every time I bring it up, I don't mind either way.
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2010-06-30, 14:01 | Link #12258 |
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You bring up a lot of things that I think to be inconsequential. Just kidding.
Finding a husband Kinzo won't hate is pretty tough, I mean he hates all of his children pretty much. Kinzo didn't tell all of his children to immediately get married either. Maybe Eva was waiting because she knew Natsuhi would not get pregnant. Maybe Eva had a hand in it? |
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Which actually raises an interesting point.
EDIT: Regarding Eva having a hand in it: Plausible - but how, considering that according to Natsuhi's narration, Natsuhi is perfectly healthy in this regard?
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