(L) World Trigger [Manga]

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

i dont remember this being stated,
i looked at the wiki page and didnt see it, neither bagworm or chameleon mention such a comparison...

isnt the primary reason why nobody uses it a lot (aside from the stated immense trion needed) also the fact that no other trigger can be used at the same time?

I may remember it wrong, but I think it was mentioned that Chameleon's costly energy-wise. No such mention was ever made for Bagworm, and snipers are expected to last the whole fight with it on.

Originally Posted by Kanon

Just caught up with this manga and I have a question: have they ever explained why 95% of Border's members are teens? It's really bothering me.

They recruit them young because that's when they can develop their trion organs. Adults are stuck with whatever they have. And since Border only went public recently (4 years before the story), there's a limit to how old most of them can be.

[LevelSeven]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I may remember it wrong, but I think it was mentioned that Chameleon's costly energy-wise. No such mention was ever made for Bagworm, and snipers are expected to last the whole fight with it on.

yeah, chams got mentioned to be trion costy, but bagworms are taking trion too as long as they are in use, the problem is that snipers only fire a few selected bullets for sure injuries while osamu is a shooter and they are trion costy too, plus he must create traps,
if the fight happens he will surely try fighting and defending too, all in all his strategy seems to be more suited for someone with a at least average trion pool

[James Rye]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

^using bagworm in direct combat is idiotic, it wont help at all,

but by sneaking around it is a big help, unfortunatly it consumes trion as long as it is active, so for people with low-trion it isnt a good idea to use it for a long time (which is the case with osamu...this is why i hope that he will get defeated due to trion-empthyness, it should become a handicap which he must overcome in order to use more tricks and traps )

Arafune used the bagworm in his melee battle against Yuuma and it was quite useful to hide the Kogetsu to make surprise stabs. It can be used as a distraction to make enemies make mistakes similar to how Arafune assumed Yuuma would use his grasshopper to jump up when he didn't and only used it as distraction.

Also Egg plant curry, I had no idea that even exists...

[LevelSeven]

^but that is not really a "effect" of the trigger, chameleon or even radar could be used for such small tricks,

you let the enemy think that you prepare to go invisible and while they try to one-shot you you will suddenly use other triggers and stop chameleon so thathe dies suprised about it similar to what kuga did,
with radar you could make the enemy think that you are off guard and than while they attack a off-guard you, you will suddenly move and defeat them

but that doesnt mean that radar is "useful" direct combat (at least its official function isnt created for such a task)

[al103]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

^usually only a few people have two triggers active in combat, most of them fight with s single weapon as specialisation...

People use one and only one trigger in combat. Border triggers have two sides (for left and right hand) for IIRC 4 microchips each. Those that use two of the same weapon just slotted that weapon for both sides, not two triggers.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by al103

People use one and only one trigger in combat. Border triggers have two sides (for left and right hand) for IIRC 4 microchips each. Those that use two of the same weapon just slotted that weapon for both sides, not two triggers.

That's two triggers, one trigger holder.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

That's two triggers, one trigger holder.

No, that's one trigger. How many objects trigger generates =/= number of triggers. Osamu used his shield-sword with his shooty-cubes but it didn't make him two triggers user.

[Anh_Minh]

Go and look up chapter 26. The thing they take in hand before transforming is the Trigger Holder. It contains up to 8 Triggers (4 for the left hand, 4 for the right), allowing users to use two triggers simultaneously.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Go and look up chapter 26. The thing they take in hand before transforming is the Trigger Holder. It contains up to 8 Triggers (4 for the left hand, 4 for the right), allowing users to use two triggers simultaneously.

That's terminology thing... Also all eight can be used simultaneously. Because they are part of same package which is commonly called Trigger, while 8 chips called options. Also it's 9 really - main that provides trion body, escape function, etc and 8 support ones for weaponry and enhancement.

Thing is - it's still one trigger that is combination of triggers that can be theoretically independent, but in Border Trigger are part of the package. Two independent triggers can't be used.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by al103

That's terminology thing...

Yes. The difference is, I'm using canon terminology, rather than one of my own invention.

Also all eight can be used simultaneously.

Wrong. That's why Chika must deactivate Bagworm to use Lead Bullet (because LB counts as one trigger, in addition to her rifle trigger). That's why it's said you have to be vigilant of Yuma (or similar attackers) when they've got only one weapon in hand - it means they're using their other hand for something else, like Grasshopper. That's why fused bullets (like Tomahawk) are said to be risky - you can't raise a shield when you're preparing them.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yes. The difference is, I'm using canon terminology, rather than one of my own invention.

Both TriggerHolder-Triggers and Trigger-Options are canon. And IIRC second is more commonly used one.

[LevelSeven]

ch 152

osamu-chan grows,

i think im not the only one who sees osamu getting more experienced right?

unlike "The Breaker NW" where the MCs only weakness is his lack of experience (which somehow doesnt increase no matter how many fights he has), in WT our osamu grows with every battle,

im sure the previous osamus would have been so stupid and try to take out the attackers on his own,
or he would have tried to bring the two together while still fighting at the same time with them,

but now he seems to have understood how a "strategy"-man fights, he can have unpredictable attacks thanks to his shooter weapon, and once the attackers create a opening he will try to take them out by himself, good thinking

[tsunade666]

woho. Nice chapter. I really liked it if everyone aren't dumb and only the MC is smart. Its boring that way.

in this chapter, the bait was discovered and even glasses was in pinch but instead of being shounen super hero, he just lure them to fight each other. its better that way. know your strengths and limits. I liked it

[LevelSeven]

ch 153

im a bit sad that osamu didnt engage the two people while fighting,
maybe he still sees himself as to weak to score some points while the latter is distracted

but im still loving this story for this, the MC is so slow-paced in his powerlvl increase that any small development become a fcking gem
kuga is still the one that scores points and osamu is chased after,
but it seems like we MIGHT get osamu doing some solo-stuff since kuga got injured by a kougetsu slash

and chikas lead bullet are really dangerous

[XFire]

Why would Osamu purposefully jump into a fight with two superior combatants who were both aiming for him?

[LevelSeven]

ch 154

nice action in this chapter, kugas superior battle experience shows itself again,
and i think osamu will go into a dangerous spot right now,
not sure but the captain who ran towards the snipers is surely after osamu, afterall unlike kuga or chika he doesnt have a dangerous spot, if you get into a direct one vs one the chance to get points seems possible....

PS: we also got a bit info about the extended-kougetsu slash, seems like its max range is 40m...

[James Rye]

Only Ikoma can do that, the usual norm is 15 metres. Given how Ikoma got two titles in a row I bet on him being a member in the future expedition. We need a funny man for that ride anyway.

[LevelSeven]

90% of the shown chars are funny in some way or another, but i know what you mean, plus he has a really cool move,

but the "uniqueness" doesnt need to be forever, i mean the speciality of his was the 5 times shorter activation time which increased the range, if someone has a similar trion mastery (which i think is the key for this technique) than he should do the same feat

PS: i also think he will be included, but of course they wont take every A team since this would make earth defenseless agaisnt large forces, therefore mostlikely Jin and co will stay behind (his foresight is to valuable for earth to simply let him go and inspect the neighbor side)...

[FlareKnight]

I'm curious what Osamu will do. Right now nobody is really focusing on targeting him. He could get back to setting up his wires or make a move to go and support Chika. He has the most freedom to act since Kuga is pretty tied up right now. I don't worry too much about him even in that 2v1 situation, but he won't resolve it quickly.

[LevelSeven]

^i actually think the leader of the other team is going after the chika in purpose, think about it, why didnt he activate bagworm?
he could have attacked while staying undetected, exspecially since chika can blow up any cover with ibis, so bagworm is the logical option,

my guess is that he wants to lure osamu out, afterall, the sniper of the other team is rather good, so a 2vs1 tactic would have been best on either sniper, but thinking about osamu makes the things a bit harder,

think about it like this:
if they go after each one, the chances are high that it will become more difficult, and once kuga gets to them, they will lose, so the option is to kill them fast, unfortunatly they cant do that,
going 2 vs 1 would result in a sniper interfering and trying to get points, by the enemy-sniper it would result in MAYBE chika interfering but it would mostlikely result in chika helping kuga which means that they kill chika but get killed by kuga,
if they go after chika it will result in enemy-sniper "helping" chika or the enemy-sniper helps killing kuga, even he cant defeat 2 attacker+1 sniper at the same time, and osamu could attack them too,
and lets say it works, it would still mean that 2 attackers fight against 2 attackers + 1 sniper, not good,

BUT if they "fake" their attack and osamu shows up either one can get a point thanks to direct 1 vs 1 with osamu, than going after chika while one protects the attacker against the enemy-sniper and the other one gets the points,
than going after the other sniper while kuga fights the 2 attackers,
after that it would be kuga vs 2 attackers vs 2 attackers, the best option of the lowest-score-team,

all in all, if i would be the leader of the team that attacks the snipers, i would not go after them right now, at least not with 100%, i would use it in order to lure out the annoying prey that keeps messing up others plans

i hope others can understand this whole stuff, im a bit sleepy :/

PS: isnt world trigger a great strategy-battle manga?