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2010-06-28, 07:03 | Link #11922 |
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Hors d'oeuvres is french and literly means outside the main court. it's something like an apretizer, but its "lighter".
Mostly it's something like cheese, sausage etc. Oh btw, The meals don't come after each other, most of the time they wait arround 15 mins, before the next dish comes. so lets say that: Hors d'oeuvres take15 mins to eat. 15 min break. soup arround 20 mins (?) 15 min. break. Steak arround 30 mins (?) 15 min break. Dessert 10 mins Total = 120 min. that's 2 hours... lol's |
2010-06-28, 07:08 | Link #11923 |
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Come to think of it, that's the only explanation really...
The dinner is actually expected to start at 19:30, and take about two hours of leisurely eating and chatting! Normally, Genji would call the cousins by phone to fetch them around 19:00, and phones still work. But instead, Kanon comes personally on nobody's orders, because he is aware of Maria standing around alone in the garden! He intentionally comes early, because the plan is to have Maria searched for in the dark and under the rain, discovered, suitably pitied, and draw attention to her umbrella and the letter! The added umbrella and letter conversations extend the length of the dinner in such a way that only at 22:00 the cousins run away into the parlor, filling out the missing hour!
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2010-06-28, 07:17 | Link #11927 |
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The interesting consequence of that blue would be that Kanon may have actually pulled most of the expected fake first twilight all by himself.
I don't think the variant where Kanon and Shannon are the two individually-bodied halves of single "Beatrice" -- Kanon the innocent half and Shannon the murdering half -- have been well explored yet.
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2010-06-28, 07:40 | Link #11929 |
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I don't know. My conclusion jumped the gun on explaining 'Maria's' letter. We know the letter was written by the person who is pretending to be Beatrice and that person knows about the murders and the bomb. I am just thinking, why would the murderer also set up a bomb? Seems like overkill. So, I think they are two separate plans.
What about that number from episode 3? 07151129. I was thinking about it. That is the key to obtaining money for a few people. The key was mailed the day before October 4th,1986. The person who painted those numbers was likely the same person who sent the money. But what is the meaning? I don't think it points out the murderer because getting it after you escape seems a little useless. Maybe it is the code to deactivate the bomb? |
2010-06-28, 07:50 | Link #11930 |
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Well, here's the variant in particular for Ep1.
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2010-06-28, 07:54 | Link #11931 | |
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That kind of schedule isn't much different from a typical (proper) italian dinner, anyway. Except you'd have pasta or risotto instead of the soup, then fruit after the dessert, and lastly coffee for whoever desires it.
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2010-06-28, 08:20 | Link #11932 |
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On the messed-up Second Twilights in Chiru, there's always the simplest explanation that the culprit just messes up. Even if we believe Hideyoshi was going to fake the second twilight but was actually attacked and killed, clearly things didn't go quite as planned with Natsuhi witnessing and Eva coming back too soon. That leaves aside the issue of where the culprit could have gone, but ignoring that, it could just be a bungle. And in ep6, the game may simply pause before the culprit got around to finishing up.
But an excellent point has been raised: "tear apart" does not imply murder per the Plotline Murders scheme, so in theory no one has to die in the Second Twilight at all. However, here's an even stranger thing: If the Plotline Murders are supposed to track the epitaph, the culprit should not be killing at the second twilight. Look at the epitaph! "At the second twilight, those who remain shall tear apart the two who are close." The executor of the Second Twilight is clearly stated to be "those who remain." If we go by the (incorrect) epitaph murder ritual interpretation, the killer should be forcing the remaining survivors to commit the Second Twilight, not doing it him or herself.
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2010-06-28, 08:39 | Link #11933 |
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That begs the question of how close the "two who are close" have to be to qualify and whether just placing them in the opposite corners of the mansion under strict orders "not to approach each other or no dessert for dinner" will do.
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2010-06-28, 08:43 | Link #11934 |
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This is no news, it's been noticed since a while that the serial murder isn't really following the epitaph properly. If you see a problem with the second twilight, then what should we say about the third? Was it ever respected?
Anyway the "tear apart" thing can be interpreted as murder if you believe that the only thing that can tear apart two people that love each other is death. The marriage vow says "Until death do us part" isn't it? However there's still the problem that the "remaining" should do it, not some random killer. This is actually a problem that applies to the epitaph solution from the riddle standpoint. The only interpretation that I've seen is that you need to move the remaining letters to the center between the "two who are close". However neither the qilian theory nor the kogane theory do that. And both of them assume "the two" must be killed.
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2010-06-28, 08:59 | Link #11935 | |
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2010-06-28, 09:09 | Link #11936 | |
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But the discord letter is wrong too. The epitaph is addressed to Beatrice! The actual author of the epitaph is speaking in the first-person, therefore the "honorable name" isn't Beatrice. It's whoever is behind the ritual. ...Is there anyone who receives praise consistently sometime after the Second Twilight but before the Fourth? Granted, the epitaph murders are being committed wrong regardless since we know the epitaph is not about any sort of ritual. The "right answer" will be treating it as a puzzle, as that's the answer that's twice been shown to correctly lead to the gold. Still, I wonder if the person using the epitaph put much thought into what they were doing, because even a cursory reading would indicate they're doing things wrong.
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2010-06-28, 09:11 | Link #11937 | |
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I.e. murders are not thought of as epitaph murders by the murderer, but someone else "cleans up" after them trying to make them conform to the epitaph at best they can.
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2010-06-28, 09:15 | Link #11938 |
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whops I said it wrong... both qilian and kogane theory assume the two must not be killed.
However what's the point in tearing the two who are close apart is absolutely not clear. Maybe it's something related to the mechanism?
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2010-06-28, 09:17 | Link #11939 |
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The problem with that is the consistency. The murderer always kills, or tries to kill, 5-6 people the first night, but never more or less, and he/she never seems to delay or make opportunistic extra kills the first evening. Then the Second Twilight relies on a lot of luck in getting two people within a short amount of time, not getting caught, and then proceeding with the last five.
It's just oddly convenient that, if we believe the killer isn't following the epitaph, just the right number of people die (or appear to die). Fake murders into real murders perhaps fixes the FT for us, but it's still probably pretty easy to take out a few other people in the mansion at night and the FT killer doesn't. And that doesn't help with the ST once people realize the FT wasn't faked, or don't realize it wasn't supposed to be real.
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2010-06-28, 09:31 | Link #11940 | |
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