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Based on the rest of your comments, though, I'm honestly not sure if there's any way this story could have taken this path and be redeemable in your eyes, so perhaps the details aren't so important from that perspective and it's pointless to argue.
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2013-06-07, 02:01 | Link #2402 | |
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"Feeling love for someone" in my book means a desire to take care of this someone. It means prioritizing the well-being of someone over your own. To be there for them when they need it. With only 1-2 exceptions in the latest volumes, Kirino consistently prioritized her own well-being over everyone else's. Her wishes and desires are 99% focused on herself, and essentially, the show is about gofer Kyousuke helping Kirino to get what she wants, and to resolve the problems that Kirino has. Which, by the way, is also why I could never warm up to this relationship. There's too much sugar blown up Kirino's rear end, and the girl has absolutely not enough redeeming character traits to justify it (which ones does she have at all?). |
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2013-06-07, 02:10 | Link #2403 | |
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Ever felt real romantic love for someone? If so, do you feel you can relate to this reaction? Quote:
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Still - I do think that I have grounds to objectively criticize the show for failure to resolve the very issues it has raised by itself. Not just my subjective disappointment with the chosen one. |
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2013-06-07, 02:13 | Link #2405 | |
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1. At the wedding scene right before they "go back". 2. At the very end of the epilogue after they have ostensibly already "gone back" (where Kyousuke gives Kirino an unexpected kiss). I've explained this a few times now, but every time you miss it. And again, to be fair, we have no idea to what extent these issues were or were not raised by the volume. The book is nearly 400 pages long, and all we have so far are short, questionably-accurate summaries. Let's hold a bit before casting too many more stones.
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2013-06-07, 02:32 | Link #2406 | |
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2013-06-07, 02:36 | Link #2407 | |
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For me, the kiss or kisses (both) are to signify Kyousuke's "choice". It's a symbol that he chooses Kirino. The second kiss only underlines this choice - he still "loves" her. BUT. By "going back" or more correctly pretending to do so, the author dodges the bullet to explain how they're dealing with the problems - the stigmatization, the social backlash, their parents' reactions, all the likes. It reminds me of an old project manager joke for impossible tasks: You plan it all through, and then just add a step "here is where a miracle happens". Exactly THAT is the cop-out. The author capitulates and refuses to resolve the problems. That all "happens in-between and we don't see it". Also, it just doesn't fit with my life experiences. That's not how romantic love works - especially not the self-centered kind that Kirino employs. Quote:
Please answer me this: When did Kirino do something to help Kyousuke? When did she express genuine appreciation for his and his efforts? When did Kirino forgo a selfish wish of her own for the sake of Kyousuke? When did she even show any shred of interest in Kyousuke's wishes? Quote:
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2013-06-07, 03:11 | Link #2409 |
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My theory is that when the 10 year later mini novel comes out it will show everyone and where they are in life. Willing to bet it will do a zoom out in the last couple pages showing Kirino and Kyousuke with rings on something of that sort. I mean am I the only one that doesn't mind the incest? You love who you love, can't really help it.
Though so far from the rumors and such this ending seems a little rushed or half hearted, really was expecting more. Hope to have resolution when everything is confirmed. |
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2013-06-07, 03:27 | Link #2411 | |
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Volume 8, when she does her best to comfort him, and goes to great lengths to try to bring Kuroneko back. Volume 1, when she thanks him (and then blushes) after Kyousuke's confrontation with the father over her Otaku hobby. Volume 4, at the maid-event. Volume 8, when she gives Kuroneko permission to confess, tells Kyousuke that Kuroneko really likes him and forces herself to accept their relationship. |
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2013-06-07, 03:34 | Link #2412 |
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Excuse me if i may, but my mind is still going through some serious damage.
But i just wanna ask, in the opening of season 2 episode 1 in the anime, where it shows kyousuke and kirino back when they were kids and kirino wanted to take a bath together only to be rejected by kyousuke, did that part/flashback appear or was it mentioned anywhere in the novels? My minds is somehow blank as of the moment. lol.
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2013-06-07, 03:44 | Link #2413 | |
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^ The part where Kirino is talking is the part where present!Kirino takes over past!Kirino in his dream.
By the way, someone posted on /a/ on his thoughts about "Ten Years After": Quote:
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2013-06-07, 03:46 | Link #2414 | |
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2013-06-07, 04:08 | Link #2415 |
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Yup, that's it. I don't know, i just found it to be something more of a flashback in dream form. But oh well, i'll probably just leave my assumptions to myself for now until the anime ends.
Anyways, those thoughts seems pretty much accurate, well most of them. It'd be natural if Kyou became a full blown otaku, after all that's happened, i'd be happy for Ruri if that what would happen to her, seeing as she would have been the most productive if that was the case and Ayase's part was, well, win. XD
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2013-06-07, 04:27 | Link #2416 | |
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I understand the concept of what you're saying, anyway, even if I personally can be more lenient on this issue depending on the way it's handled. I do see some reasons why an ambiguous/not-fully-resolved ending may have been preferred in this case. Keep in mind they're still awfully young. Teenagers in love do stupid things that adults wouldn't necessarily do, particularly when faced with all sorts of complications. Kirino's "selfishness" is also reflecting her lack of emotional maturity, and the rashness of Kyousuke's actions could be seen as the same.
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2013-06-07, 05:15 | Link #2417 | |
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The points your are mentioning i have already conluded that a long time ago. So i am not surprised with anything that we know of volume 12 so far. The comment that i made about Manami being a grandma etc is just a joke man.
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2013-06-07, 05:37 | Link #2418 | |
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Volumes 1 and 4 are mere "thank you"s for a huge huge favor Kyousuke did for her. All things considered, there is not even a remote semblance of a balance between Kirino's behavior towards Kyousuke and Kyousuke's constant pampering of Kirino. Kirino is consistently the spoiled and ungrateful princess that all other characters are revolving around, trying to blow sugar up her rear end. I had some remote hopes that the story would end on a message from Kyousuke to Kirino being "I love you, and I care for you, but this one time, in the end, I'm going to let my wishes take priority over yours". Alas, it was not meant to be. All Kirino, eternally, forever. Fine, then. *toss* |
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2013-06-07, 05:40 | Link #2419 | |
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If really this is what is gonna happen then, it is better not to read the 10 years after. The writter is practically killing the whole story and giving it the worst possible ending.
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2013-06-07, 05:45 | Link #2420 |
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found this on 4chan. And it is funny to read. It is a short summary on how people reacted before volume 12 was out and after volume 12 spoilers were known. It really gives a summary about what really is going on:
Before vol 12: >this is a novel for childrens they can't turn it into incest >it's too popular they won't turn it into incest >author have no balls to make it incest >publisher have no balls to let this ending with incest >they will turns out to be not-blood-related >tokyo ban After vol 12: >the spoilers are fake >they broke up after wedding the kiss in the final page doesn't count >you have no evidence for the kiss in the final page >no matter what they say I know they are not blood-related >Manami is my waifu ;_; Conclusion much people are MAD!!!!! and wont accept it!!!
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