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Madara | 104 | 32.91% | |
Madara’s Son | 14 | 4.43% | |
Madara’s Clone | 30 | 9.49% | |
Madara’s Ghost/Soul/Poltergeist given shape... | 33 | 10.44% | |
Obito | 59 | 18.67% | |
Obito’s Body, but not really Obito... | 55 | 17.41% | |
Someone else’s body (not Obito’s)... | 21 | 6.65% | |
Zetsu’s Love Child... | 23 | 7.28% | |
Tobirama/Sarutobi/or anyone with a 'tobi' in their name... | 16 | 5.06% | |
Bruce Wayne or other… | 69 | 21.84% | |
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2012-08-25, 17:05 | Link #1201 | |
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There, I just gave you a single name out of a sea of names of people who know or once knew Kakashi, and that's just the list of people whom we KNOW knows Kakashi. I'm not even sure what the point is you're trying to make with this. Besides, for all we know it's someone who has been observing Konoha from the shadows, and thus knows stuff about everyone. Really I don't see why a personal connection is even necessary here. I really am amazed by how much you know about the way I think or why I do things. I take my hat off for you. You must be some kind of master psychoanalyst or something. |
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2012-08-26, 09:01 | Link #1203 |
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Kagami is at the very least possible. if for no other reason than we know nothing about him. then kishi could just have a background story prepared that explains who he is and the motivation for his actions. but this is the same for any other character that we nothing about, which makes it not very likely IMO. i tend to agree with other posters that kagamis role was to highlight the uchiha as part of the leadership of the village. Hiruzen himself mentions this (during the flashback where danzo talks to itachi about sasuke) that the uchiha were comrades. kagamis place on danzos team is evidence of that.…But for kagami to be tobi at this point in the story would be a very painful way to go but i will not deny that the avenue is still not yet closed.
as for izuna, i really like the idea. some tend to feel that izunas mention by madara to the kages closes the case and that he is peacefully in the grave, but i would like the situation where he didn't die. he certainly would be as knowledgable at tobi is. he doesn't have eyes, so i see why he would collect them. technically nagatos rinnegan is his. but it is probably more likely that his purpose was to be the container that eventually powers up madara, and gives some cause to the "hate" madara has that he mentions to the kages…avenue not yet closed tho as for obitio, i could make a list. i won't tho…tobi has his eye, he is using his power. he got a gaiden devoted to him. you could say those are all red herrings, but by definition you'd be admitting that the author is at least leading us down that path, and has been since the end of part 1. even it is not wholly obito (which i don't think it is), there have been a number of details to suggest its him and this last chapter has been the most "neon lights" of them all…avenue definitely not closed for fun, i'll throw in the elder son…i mean if you plan to rule the world by force, how else to do it than an ultimate genjutsu… whoever tobi is, i don't think he is the final villain…not when sasuke, edo madara, and the juubi are still on the battlefield all that said, I'm hopeful for a twist. i kinda want it to be two faces under the mask...
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2012-08-26, 09:22 | Link #1204 |
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put it simply..tobi is just mindfucking kakashi to catch him offguard or depress him(in hopes that kakashi actually thinks its obito and gets caught in diversity) thats when toni makes his move.because tobi very well knows that kakashi is the only person who can interupt him(in what sense).both their sharingans share the same dimension so when tobi gos in kakashi can send stuff in there to hit him.the only time they were able to hit tobi was when kakshi used kamui.tobi knew before hand that their MS dimensions were connected and when kakshi entered the battlefield things were gonna heat up so he had to do something to disrupt kakashi.thats what hes doing by acting like obito...or it could just be obito..
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2012-08-26, 10:53 | Link #1205 |
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its Izuna in Obitos Body because why would he need Nagato to use the "Gedo Rinne Tensei no Jutsu" for himself "Madara" when he is "alife"? because he wants his brother Madara back....
or something like that but lets see 3 days to go and Kishi is trolling us "haha I got you!! its Rin! :P "
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2012-08-27, 03:58 | Link #1208 | |
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2012-08-27, 13:24 | Link #1209 | ||
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So yes as I said you have no answer to this because the very idea that Tobi is Obito is so offensive to you that you seem to refuse to even aknowledge its mere possibility without even speaking of its likeliness at this point. Quote:
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2012-08-27, 13:45 | Link #1210 | |||
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two faces under the mask??!? what at a twist!!
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2012-08-28, 09:52 | Link #1212 | |
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First of all I'm not offended by the notion, it just wouldn't make sense to me and no matter how you sugarcoat the plotholes, a plot hole is a plot hole. It needs some ridiculously good writing to take care of them all. |
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2012-08-28, 10:08 | Link #1213 | |
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actually its not a "PLOT HOLE" yet... there things that can still be explained why tobi is Obito in the future. If there are things that cant be explained after the series has ended then yes, it is a plothole
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2012-08-28, 10:31 | Link #1215 |
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^it's going to need good writing regardless of the outcome. every theory has possible and likely flaws in it except for a new character which is in itself an asspull (and actually does have at least one flaw: tobi telling konan he's madara with no reason to lie after divulging other secrets)
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2012-08-28, 10:33 | Link #1216 |
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It would be more of an 'ass pull' if Tobi turned out to be someone other than Obito, like some never-before-seen character. All the clues point to Obito, so for Tobi to be someone else would require the revelation of a massive amount of backstory to fill in the complete gap in character development - typically, such a backstory would come 'out of one's ass'. Obito, on the other hand, has a backstory - there is no ass pull needed in this case.
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It's not like I'm making a complicated argument, I've simply pointed out that no matter how much I don't like the idea of Tobi being Obito I can't help but notice that there is no other character in the story who has any reason to make an angry rant against Kakashi for his failure to keep his promise. I'd like nothing more than another answer to this question but I've asked you 5 times now and you didn't come up with anything, in fact it looks like you hardly even understood the question. |
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2012-08-28, 12:20 | Link #1218 | |
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To be fair, I have a lot of trouble expressing what I think sometimes. I can also add that English actually isn't my native language, but even without that I still would have trouble probably. Basically, what it comes down to, is that the entire way I view this "epic" hinges on how well (or how badly) Tobi's reveal is going to be handled. A lot of the theories I've heard in this thread are full of holes and would be terrible writing if it turned out to be exactly like that. That's not saying my theories are the best ever, but at least I'm attempting to append any possible plotholes with a possible explanation, at least to the best of my ability.
As for not understanding the question. Maybe I actually don't understand it. Is it THAT unthinkable that if you are fighting a person, and you know stuff about that person, for example by having spied on his home town for decades, that you're going to attempt to use that information to get him off guard. Also, hypothetically, if he isn't Obito, Kakashi still has Obito's other eye. Isn't that reason enough for wanting to keep an eye on the guy who has the other eye with inbuilt freaky space/time powers? Quote:
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2012-08-28, 12:29 | Link #1219 | |
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There are clues that point to Tobi being Obito, but there are even more clues that he is not Obito. It was not so long ago that we have seen Orochimaru rising from Anko's body and knowing everything about what happened with Sasuke. So someone knowing what happened with Obito and Kakashi doesn't sound so crazy any more. The question is why would Obito suddenly become so important in the story. He was just one character in a side story about Kakashi. But then i realized that Obito's story was always part of the main story: in chapter 8 the ninja test of team 7, there Kakashi tells the team about Obito, and a few pages after that they pass while Kakashi tells them Obito's words exactly. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-08-28 at 12:41. |
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i dont really see whats so hard to believe about tobi being important to kakashi's character. story wise, they are both on relatively equal importance on either side of good and bad in about the 3rd position from the top |
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