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2012-05-04, 12:35 | Link #442 | |
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2012-05-04, 15:13 | Link #444 | |
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How the freck the manga's in question remain shounen god knows. |
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2012-05-04, 16:30 | Link #446 |
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Well, shounen is a wide demographics. It contains a 11 years boys as well as 19 years high school / college students. Compare Berserk (seinen), Claymore (older shounen) and Fairy Tail (young shounen), or compare Bitter Virgin (seinen), Good Ending (older shounen) and Ichigo 100% (young shounen). Both in Berserk and Claymore there is rape, including child rape. In Berserk it's directly shown, while in Claymore it's just indirectly mentioned. In Berserk, Claymore and Fairy Tail people are dying. In Berserk anyone could die, and it's shown in graphic, usually gruesome way, in Claymore people are dying, but with few exceptions (Teresa and Jean) only secondary characters die, and in a way less graphic way than in Berserk. In Fairy Tail only bad people die and usually off screen. Another difference between shounen and seinen. In shounen manga heroes wins if they're determined and eager to cooperation. In Fairy Tail price for victory (and "determination level") is usually a few bruises, in Claymore to win heroes has to sacrifice something, In Berserk heroes determination and sacrifice means nothing when enemies are stronger. Guts cuts his own arm to save Caska but failed, for example.
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2012-05-04, 17:00 | Link #447 |
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Well, Shounen by definition is more like from elementary grade to under 15 years of age. Seinen on the other hand is more like 18 years or more. Indeed everyone could read Shounen/Seinen story, but my point is Seinen's more intended for 18 years of age and more while Shounen usually have more "light" and "simple" story line, take example One Piece, it's story line is simple so children (it's intended reader) also could follow it.
Why manga considered seinen is usually because it contains a lot of sexual/gore/violent content in it. Well, some other mangas are seinen because of it's story complexity and it's sense of realism in it (take example of Naoki Urasawa's works, while it doesn't have much sexual/gore/violent content in it, it's still seinen). From the gore, I still think Claymore is above other shounen manga.
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2012-05-04, 17:13 | Link #448 |
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so many childhoods came crashing down ;]] >2012 >Claymore ended >Raki never got some claymore pu*sy >I am disappoint Claymore Shippuuden go go
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2012-05-04, 17:31 | Link #450 | |
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2012-05-04, 17:39 | Link #451 |
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Dude it had like the most stupidest ending then.
No i take that back.... Kagami had the stupidest ending. So claire died? WTF and who were we following for 2/3rds of the story? Raki never meets claire again? So he was just the harbringer / container of the worst possible evil known on the entire universe? meh.... kinda disappointed. |
2012-05-04, 18:23 | Link #452 | |
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Anyway. If we get a sequel to Claymore (hopefully we will), I think that it would be terribly cliche if they named it by just adding a word or letter after "Claymore". Maybe the sequel could be called "Falcon Sword".
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2012-05-04, 18:32 | Link #453 | |
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Oda at least seemingly thought more about the overall story in detail than Yagi seemingly did. Really this ending even if it ended at this point in time would have been perfectly fine had he skipped this entire arc and simply dealt with Claire and Priscilla. |
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2012-05-04, 19:59 | Link #454 | ||
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Can't really say about Bleach since I haven't watched/read yet, but unlike Claymore, Naruto and One Piece where one heck of crappy series packed with tons of fillers with no end, and I think anyone could better compare Shounen series to Berserk Guts getting infinite power ups with runes and armor. I don't know... they did start off with a nice plot and action and it's not like I am against Berserk fans, but all the smooth talks and weak-bond relationships that was neither friends nor partnership just turned me down after Guts joined with the witch. Not to mention the series did begin with a heavy/dark atmosphere with gore and women being raped by the monsters (creepy if you ask me). Anyways, back with Claymore, I do agree that Yagi kinda messed up the story in the midways with randomness ruining the main objective he originally had planned of as though he lacked plot materials and only offered us some stupid arcs regarding the 3 no.1s' resurrection and Clare being trapped inside the blob. Though all these shounenish events, I don't think the series itself deserved to be compared with Naruto or One Piece. I mean, some part of the story did disappoint us in overall enjoyment due to the ambience and feeling overlapping with other Shounen series, but hey, the entire series wasn't that of a complete fiasco to begin with... the plot and character development just happened to be kind of inconsistent in the middle of the series and gave us an unclear ending. Anyways, I think there's no point comparing your favorite series whether their of your likes or not. We're just worked up having to see Claymore just end. Quote:
Oh BTW, it's to late for translation, right? Don't know if MangaHelpers has the eng version out or even summaries.
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2012-05-04, 20:51 | Link #455 |
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A waste? Hardly. The story was fun to follow and there are a lot of people who formed a community around it. Despite the tendencies of us to be at each others throats, in the end I think it was a good seven years. It's not like it was the only thing I was doing during that time.
And the ending does suck. Abrupt endings are the worst. Still, most of the plot is done, and even if Yagi never revisits Claymore you can pretty much tell where the rest of the plot threads well go. It just won't be with Yagi's art and Deneve's narration. So like the anime, keep fingers crossed for a return and move on to other things, I guess. *bang*
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2012-05-04, 21:03 | Link #456 |
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Yagi really didn't leave a lot loose besides Clare... who happened to be our main character. I think the behind the scenes drama just happened when he was starting this arc and he had to make due, which I think he did.
BONES anime conclusion anyone?
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2012-05-04, 21:56 | Link #458 | |
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Have whatever opinion you have on the quality, but there's comparitively very few better planned and practically none better planned that comes out on a weekly basis. It wasn't remotely dragged out purposefully. Berserk was pretty awesome for the first few arcs but I'll admit the author is dragging it out. Claymore is very good before the time skip but In my opinion it was always lacking a real plot outside Priscilla must die post teresa flashback and their wasn't really a moral to the story as maybe revenge at the cost of self is bad. It was most good atmosphere, characters and fighting. To me I personally judge a story by what I get out of it and while characters and atmosphere's are nice I prefer a moral, a purpose, an underlining ideal of the authors that drives the story forward. |
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2012-05-06, 13:00 | Link #459 | |
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While I do agree that Claymore did end abruptly, it would all make sense if we take it from a different viewpoint. Claymore was a story centered on a single island. The point of the series was to uncover the secrets behind this strange land and (as we eventually found out) to change it for the good. With the Claymore rebellion and the Rimuto's subsequent death, the age of the Organization's rule came to an end. The island was liberated and so did the Claymores. A new chapter has begun for the residents of the island with new struggles and mysteries. There are a number of conflicts that need to be resolved. Claire's situation. Priscilla. The endless war on the faraway continent. A way to handle the infection called Youma... The story called Claymore has come to an end. But there's a new story, a new adventure on the rise. So if we suppose that Yagi took this professionally then there's a hint for a sequel. A new series with a new conflict in this changed world. Perhaps, Clare was kept away with a reason. Perhaps we have to wait her awakening until this "new series". The first chapter in Clare's life was called "Claymore". What will be her next chapter? Perhaps, maybe this is all just a wishful thinking. Japanese mangas aren't that famous about their conclusions. And if Angel Denetsu is any indicator then Yagi is rather prone to open/loose endings that leave much to be desired for. Yet there's still hope. Out of darkness comes the light. An apparently "bad" ending can be easily turned into a hook for a sequel. The only question is whether Yagi is willing to work with the setting of Claymore again. Some mangakas get bored with their creation after writing it for long years and carving for something fresh and new. Other times the author falls in love with the atmosphere and wish to polish and perfect it as much as possible. Whichever is true I am sure we would eventually find that out. |
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