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View Poll Results: Hanasaku Iroha - Episode 15 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 6 | 14.63% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 12 | 29.27% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 24.39% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 24.39% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 4.88% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 2.44% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll |
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2011-07-11, 13:07 | Link #61 |
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Making Yuina a weak character...is weak. So she was just a spoiled and conceited brat this whole time, huh. There goes any interest I actually I had in her.
Anyway, lol at some of this 'courtship' talk popping up. But I'm down with hatin' on Kou, actually. Frankly, Yousuke does also come off pretty bad in this as well. There is one idea that is floating around in the show and in this thread which is pretty damned correct, and that is 'thinking about the other party'. Yeah, Yousuke, your dull ass completely screwed that up with the waitresses, but his approach to romance is honestly equally terrible too. It's actually the exact same issue. "I only want a girl who will become my inn's Okami/head waitress"--or should I say, "I only want employees who will actually work hard and take the job seriously". Well that's great, doofus, but why don't you try to figure out whether or why somebody would want to actually do that for you? As for Kou, let me also throw my two cents in. The criticisms are correct, at least insofar as he is never actually thinking of her. Is Kou being 'considerate' of Ohana by thinking he shouldn't pressure her? No, 'cause hell if he were being actually considerate, he wouldn't have confessed in the first place. The hell is up with building up a 'friendship' while harbouring private delusions only to suddenly spring them out in a confession she can't possibly respond to? But really, even after that, the genuine thing to do would have been to apologize, tell her that she doesn't need to worry about his feelings and to take a break for a while, and then let her sort her shit out before trying again to get her answer. "I'm still waiting without actually saying anything"? That's real passive-aggressive shit if I've ever seen it. Well, and just for completeness' sake, lol, Tohru's not much better. Seriously, don't fall in love with a girl if you haven't got anything to offer her. A relationship's a two-way street. I think it's in poor taste to make sweeping generalizations like 'women want emotional security' (because as humans, we are all different and individuals) but the idea is there--think about the other party. It is not simply anyone's 'right' to just fall in love and have feelings for someone for your own self-satisfaction--if you've got any decency, there should be a real commitment in turn towards making yourself something worth loving also. Tohru's stupid crush, just like Yousuke's, is based on no actual consideration for the other party. :P In essence, if I haven't made it clear, I'm not a fan of the 'romance' in Hanasaku Iroha. All of these self-absorbed dorks are insufferable as all hell, actually. lol, I would've jumped on the Ohana x Yuina yuri bandwagon a week back, but with this week's new Yuina 'character depth' she's lost all potency as an actual foil or strong counterpart to Ohana's character. :P Well, frankly, this show isn't really much more than junk entertainment for me anyways, so I did manage to wring some enjoyment out of this episode. On a pure fluff entertainment scale, I could probably call this episode an 8 (ohai there Nako, and hello onsen scene ). Hanasaku Iroha's rating has just about sunk back to zero though in terms of, for me, actually interesting characters and relationships. |
2011-07-11, 13:28 | Link #62 |
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Would Minchi really have been able to buy sake for Ren? Like how all the girls helped out. Even Yuina worked for the first time. Sounded like she really does like Yonosuke even though she didn't want to work at an inn. Did i hear a bit of jealousy when from her when he was praising Ohana. Never thought Yuina would work let alone think about working at an inn now. Lol Jiromaru didn't like his gift, blame Minchi for not getting him something perverted.
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2011-07-11, 14:01 | Link #64 | |
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Lets look at this frankly. It sounds like Yuina's and Yousuke's engagement isn't something they thought up when they were kids. It sounded like it was something that their parents arranged. And lets be honest here. A major aspect to some kind of agreement like that being made probably has to do with their status as heirs to major inns and their presumed future status of working at an inn in the future. Yuina's honest explanation of not wanting to work at an inn does bring to question the foundation of their engagement. Especially given the cultural expectations of being the wife of the owner of the inn. It's something that culturally I think allot of westerners aren't comfortable with seeing. |
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Still, two questions bug me: how much older than Yuina is he, and how old were they when he proposed? Quote:
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2011-07-11, 14:29 | Link #66 | ||||||
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As for being "actually" considerate, how is Ohana being considerate by leaving Ko completely hanging for several months? Quote:
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It often isn't. People often can't help falling in love with someone. "Can't help falling in love" was even the name of an Elvis Presley song. I'm pretty sure the line "I can't help falling in love with you" (or something to that effect) has been in countless love songs too. Quote:
You can control how you act upon a crush (which Tohru has done, by the way), but you generally can't help simply having them. As for Ko, why should he think that Ohana sees nothing at all in him? Clearly, Ohana values him quite a bit, and the two were close friends. I personally think that a good friendship is often a good basis for a romance later on. Obviously not every friendship will turn into a romance, but I see nothing at all wrong with that relationship evolution in some cases. As for Yosuke, it's pretty telling, don't you think, how strongly Yuina reacted to the idea that Yosuke might go after Ohana instead? It's a bit of a dickish move for Yosuke to raise that idea to Yuina, but at the same time, I found it pretty inconsiderate of Yuina to give Yosuke a response that he didn't want to hear in the heat of the moment of a bunch of employees quitting on him (oh, and while she also publicly blamed him for them quitting, IIRC). Hmmm... maybe Yosuke and Yuina deserve one another. Both actually do seem a bit passive-aggressive to me.
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2011-07-11, 14:45 | Link #67 | ||
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2011-07-11, 14:47 | Link #68 | |
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I'd say it's both. If that guy she turned down said he liked Ohana more? I don't think she'd care that much. Not so much that she'd show off until she got blisters. |
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2011-07-11, 14:55 | Link #69 | |
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If Ohana saw Ko and his co-worker at the library as out-and-out boyfriend and girlfriend, that likely would have emotionally upset her more than she actually did end up getting upset. Still, I don't think Ohana needs to apologize to Ko. Just that she has more reason to apologize than he does, imo.
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2011-07-11, 15:06 | Link #70 | |
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Seriously, his time on screen is so limited, it is hard to make a proper judgement at this point |
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2011-07-11, 15:37 | Link #71 | ||
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My problem was that the show just made her look extremely bad and hammered into the audience's faces that INN GOOD, everyone who doesn't agree with that is just plain irresponsible and it really seems to me that by saying Yousuke loves girls like Ohana is really just the writer taking over and deciding the dilemma for you in order to justify the plot. The execution is hamfisted. Quote:
And with Ohana getting flanderized and exaggerated into some kind of busybody shounen superhero, I felt a terrible disconnect with her character this episode. I could accept her previous rash decisions by considering her personality. because it had relevance to people around here. Here, we're just repeating the cycle of Ohana finds something she feels passionate for, humiliates herself and everyone none for the better just to move the plot along and maybe generate a few useful laughs. The Verdict? Ohana (and maybe her mom and grandmother) are the only characters worth a damn. This episode lacked 2 of these characters and had the lead underperform. I'll go far as to say that this show turns to crap any time the camera is not pointed into Ohana within the last 5 minutes. So lol at romance. I'd take the romance in Shakugan no Shana any day over this. And no that's not a compliment. But oh well, at least it's pretty and kinda funny at times. IMO, the show should just focus on developing the bond between the 3 generations of the inn. The rest I can live without.
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2011-07-11, 16:27 | Link #72 |
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I worry a little, too, that every supporting character is going to have an arc. We've had Tomoe, Yuina, Satsuki, next week looks like Uncle Enishi. Then a Nako arc (supposedly) and there's still the Minko arc we were supposed to get next week.
Sometimes supporting characters are supporting for a reason, and it's too distracting to keep detouring from the main road. Some of these stories were necessary (Satsuki, especially) but I don't know if I want all of them to get an arc devoted to them.
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2011-07-11, 17:14 | Link #73 | |
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2011-07-11, 17:43 | Link #75 | |
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But that is a pretty big "If", of course. If we don't get that good strong finishing arc, then I'll be inclined to agree with you that maybe the anime overdid it on supporting character episodes/arcs, and it didn't leave enough time for a good finale. We'll just have to wait and see on that count though.
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2011-07-11, 17:50 | Link #76 | |
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2011-07-11, 17:59 | Link #77 |
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I'm just not convinced about any of these side characters. While sometimes these side arcs have earned a few smiles and laughs, the development each character is getting is pretty lack luster as far as I am concerned.
I mean of course the males in this show have been pretty worthless, but besides Ohana's family and perhaps Kou, there's been nothing of interest in this show. Side cast of this show has been a big thorn in its side.
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2011-07-11, 20:57 | Link #79 | |
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2011-07-11, 21:27 | Link #80 | |
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As far as we've seen with the confrontation with the other girl she loves him as a friend. Once or so in our lives we go through infatuations. Which is a temporary thing and can happen among best friends of opposite sex. Once a party confesses its a point of no return. Guys work with their brains and dicks while girls are all about emotional security. Ohana was emotionally secure with Ko as her friend now she is insecure thinking of him as a potential lover. Ko isn't confident enough and hasn't worked to earn Ohana's trust as a lover. |
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