(L) Kingdom (キングダム) (All sesaons)

[mika163]

Originally Posted by magax

For those who are interested in China's history, do watch ep7 next week.

I didn't see any china's history in ep 7.

[DXMichael]

Spoiler:

I'm scared...

[ars89]

Shouldn't the Zhao people have bee mad at their own general for ordering the soldiers to their own deaths? So i guess Zi Xia saw a little bit of herself in Zheng. Zheng certainly was smart and tough for his age. It was funny, but sad when he said "ah men again" and decided to leave.

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by ars89

Shouldn't the Zhao people have bee mad at their own general for ordering the soldiers to their own deaths?

They can hate him for their lose but not for 400k deaths.
Than again at that time there is nothing else he can do with 400k enemy soldiers...
(food + they might revolt/joined enemy when they attack again/ can't send them back only to end up being attack by them again...etc)

beside it's easier to hate some else than to hate your own stupidity...

[Jehuty]

Ep 7 is one of my favorite episodes in a while. The pacing of the ep is just right, and had the right amounts of emotion. I enjoyed it so much I thought we were only halfway through the ep when it ended -- and I was pretty sad when I realized this. I want more of it.

[Avrorrange]

Originally Posted by ars89

Shouldn't the Zhao people have bee mad at their own general for ordering the soldiers to their own deaths? So i guess Zi Xia saw a little bit of herself in Zheng. Zheng certainly was smart and tough for his age. It was funny, but sad when he said "ah men again" and decided to leave.

The key is Qin pretty much murdered all 400k SURRENDERED soldiers.It wasn't as though they were honorably killed by the Qin in battle.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by darthfanta

The key is Qin pretty much murdered all 400k SURRENDERED soldiers. It wasn't as though they were honorably killed by the Qin in battle.

This. I got mixed up, too, and thought it was the Zhao general who ordered the deaths. Not so. In the anime and in history, it was the Qin general.

It may not have been a highly moral act, but it did have some practical justification. According to Chinese Wikipedia and Baidu Encyclopedia, the two countries had been battling in that area inconclusively for years. If he had let the army go, all those soldiers would eventually have come back to fight against Qin, and the war could have continued indefinitely. By eliminating such a large body of men (probably not actually 400,000, but lots, anyway) he was acting rationally, if despicably.

Apparently the Qin commanders let some Zhao teen soldiers go, so they would return to Zhao to spread despair.

[ditn]

can you keep the history notes in spoilers please,so i can read the topic
its like dodging a minefield

anyway finally got time to watch the series and i love it.
Bit weird animation in beginning but great story.
Finally another ward anime with a good story

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by ditn

can you keep the history notes in spoilers please,so i can read the topic its like dodging a minefield....

Gladly. Thanks for asking. But if it makes you feel safer, I don't see anything significant in the last few posts that hasn't been told in the anime.

[Excorsism]

Zi Xia(?) has probably the most gorgeous character design so far (dare I say over Kyoukai (Quiang or whatever lol)). Can't get enough of that prettiness! Couldn't help but look forward to her appearance after that gorgeous still of her in the ED.

[ditn]

thanks
im talking about stuff in previous posts(arround page 7),which some of them are also false

[Avrorrange]

Originally Posted by ditn

can you keep the history notes in spoilers please,so i can read the topic
its like dodging a minefield

anyway finally got time to watch the series and i love it.
Bit weird animation in beginning but great story.
Finally another ward anime with a good story

No need to. We were discussing something that's already happened in the anime.

[DrakeKnight]

Pretty cruel for Qin General to accept the surround of Zheo army then kill all the POW afterward
If Qin General wanted a war of annihilation then he shouldn't have accepted a surrender and simply wiped out the routing Zheo army

[ditn]

@darthfanta

Spoiler for spoiler posts:

Read your posts in page 7 again and you will know what i mean.(which also apprently are not even true ...)
and also not in spoiler tags ...
#128

I am kinda curious,why was it that kingdom got a second season
good dvd sales,manga boost increase?

[ragez2010]

^

Spoiler for Xin:

yeah, i think magax say something in other forum that Xin will not died because of his action in that war.

[Avrorrange]

Originally Posted by ditn

@darthfanta

Spoiler for spoiler posts:

Read your posts in page 7 again and you will know what i mean.(which also apprently are not even true ...)
and also not in spoiler tags ...
#128

I am kinda curious,why was it that kingdom got a second season
good dvd sales,manga boost increase?

A 2001 historical drama called Qin Shi Huang showed

Spoiler for information from another show about what happened to Xin:

Li Xin's decapitated head being sent to the King of Qin by the Chu after he was defeated.

May not be accurate(due to artistic direction) but the assumption that

Spoiler for Xin's fate:

he was killed after and during the invasion of Chu is fairly reasonable. Xin's 200,000 strong army was pretty much annihilated. The defeat was so devastating that even if Li Xin escaped the battle he would have been punished for the fiasco.Given the QIin Shi Huang's notorious personality, it would not have usual that he would have been forced to commit suicide--which is normal punishment for incompetent generals. But of course ,there was also an alternate account. It mentioned that Li Xin survived and served as the deputy commander during the invasion of Qi. This view states that because the campaign only failed due to the treachery of Changpingjun Yeng Zhing did not pin the blame on Xin and in fact spared him, only labeling him as the shame of the QIn army.

[thundrakkon]

I have fears that Xi Xia will die soon.

Hopefully, the next episode will be the last for this arc. It was nice, but I am looking forward to either more Xin action or Zheng outsmarting people action.

I wonder why Zheng's mom was not part of the escape and went a different route? Did they believe that she would have an easier time moving around? Did they fear that she would betray Zheng?

[creb]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I have fears that Xi Xia will die soon.

Hopefully, the next episode will be the last for this arc. It was nice, but I am looking forward to either more Xin action or Zheng outsmarting people action.

I wonder why Zheng's mom was not part of the escape and went a different route? Did they believe that she would have an easier time moving around? Did they fear that she would betray Zheng?

She's a woman. Despite the radical amounts of fictionalization, this was set 2500 years ago after all. They obviously don't care nearly as much about her fate. Sure, we have some women in this series who are built up to be "equals", but I strongly suspect even in this fictional universe that the average man does not view women as anything remotely of equal worth.

I agree that the house money is that Xia dies. I kind of feel like what is appearing to be a transformative figure in Zheng's life would have been mentioned/seen by now if she was still alive "today". He does, after all, need some sort of catalyst to build the type of resolve to want to take China and remake it. Deaths are an easy plot device for making that happen.

[ditn]

im fearing the same

[thundrakkon]

That was such an awesome episode! It was so intense from beginning to end! Now, please let me cry in my little corner...