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What is most discouraging about all this is that the decision was made by our new President allegedly without the consent of our Board of Trustees. In the NCAA's statement, Mark Emmert said that part of Penn State's punishment is that it has to completely abide by the findings of the Freeh Report... do you know what one of those findings was? That the Board had very little oversight for the President. Do you know what one of the recommendations was? That the Board should take a firmer grip of the President. Funny thing how, for the NCAA, Penn State going against the findings and recommendations of the report worked out. I have been very upset with how this situation has been handled (or, rather, bungled) by the Penn State administration. What Jerry Sandusky did was horrible and he deserves to rot in prison (assuming he even survives to die on his own, because child molesters do not fare well in prison). If our administrators really were involved in a cover-up, they deserve to rot, too. But there are ways to handle a crisis like this and there are ways NOT to handle the crisis. The Penn State administration has definitely been in the latter category.
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2012-07-24, 06:57 | Link #5002 |
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Rather than the NCAA, I'd prefer that the US Department of Education or something of the like takes action, since this is not really a case about just football. Child rape and such crime are matters that the court and the government take, not organisations such as NCAA, since this is past issues such with steroids and money, etc.
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Plus they are CIC/AAU members as well, maybe they will acted on it as well. At the end of the day, I say that NCAA sanctions is going to be drop of water in a bucket compared to the big beast that is coming up.
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2012-07-24, 11:18 | Link #5005 | |
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2012-07-24, 16:17 | Link #5008 | |
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P.S. A copy of the Freeh Report can be downloaded here. Here is an alternate link for a PDF version.
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2012-07-24, 17:04 | Link #5009 | |
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The sheer irony. The status and reputation of Penn State would have been retained, IF they reported Sandusky as soon as they knew this "activities". === At the same time, I'm trying to remember when all this anti-pedophile mania really kicked in during the past decade. If I recall, there was hardly any sort of media coverage regarding pedophilia during the 1990's and beyond. For certain, Chris Hansen wasn't a media figure back then.
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Your problem is that you keep trying to apply a criminal court standard to evidence and procedures to a private civilian entity that is not required to go that far. It doesn't matter that the Freeh report is a private investigation which would not measure up to a court's standard, it doesn't need to. Like it or not, the NCAA is in the business of collegiate sport, and this has been beyond a black eye for them, to not act swiftly and harshly is simply not an option. It's the same for Penn State, if there was any inkling of an attempt to fight this, it'll just end up being another unmitigated PR disaster for PSU. Do sport teams with an offending player wait for the player's criminal case to go through before they decide if they're going to cut him? Do corporations with CEOs accused of personal misconducts etc. wait for the courts to settle the disputes before they force the CEOs out? Hell no. You can keep arguing as if you're in a court, the problem is that nobody else are in the courtroom with you. |
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2012-07-29, 21:12 | Link #5013 |
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Kool-aid drinkers from Happy Valley make me sick. Perhaps that should get its own thread.
Anyways, let's talk about something else, since it's apparent everyone is just talking past each other, and has made this thread far too focused on one team. 1) Who actually believes the Broncos are Super Bowl bound? I'm not sure how I'd live with myself if my job was a sports journalist, and it revolved around fabricating as much hype as I could, so either: a) I'm seen as a genius when it actually happens b) When the hype inevitably fails, I have plenty of fodder to write about as I eviscerate those I hyped up I'm sorry. The Bronco's record last year was a fluke. They were a horrible, horrible team, and I know there are those who are going to say, "look at how the Colts were exposed without Manning" as evidence that one player really can magically turn things around, but that's just too simplistic purely because it makes a good sound-bite. If I was Denver, I'd be happy just to make it to the playoffs. I mean, I am not one of those who have serious doubts about Peyton Manning. But, I do remember how awful pretty much every aspect of this Denver team was last year, and think the team used up its luck quotient for the next hundred years with Tebow's wins last year. 2) Anyone else think the Bears may surprise everyone and take the NFC North? I may be a Badger, but I'm not a cheesehead (went to Wisc for school, but didn't grow up there), and feel GB has been far worse than their record over their last two years seems to indicate. A whole house of cards that's inevitably going to fall. 3) I'm having a hard time seeing the Saints not making the playoffs. I'm sure the last thing the NFL wants is to see them in the Superbowl, but I've always thought coaches are overblown, and am on the side of the fence that this team isn't going to see much-if any-let down just because they've essentially changed coaches this year. 4) Could this year finally be Dallas' in the NFC East? I feel like the Giants got worse over the off-season, and their winning the Super Bowl was from "on any given Sunday, anyone can win", and highly unlikely to repeat. If Vick was anything like he was his first year as a starter with the Eagles, I'd be excited. We didn't see that at all last year though, which puts the burden of proof on his shoulders (don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the dynamic Vick of 2010 again; but he's only getting older). I don't buy into the RG3 hype at all, and don't think the Redskins are going to be remotely relevant, which almost makes this division Dallas' by default this year? 5) Is San Fran going to have an easier or harder path to the playoffs this year? I feel like this would have been the instant Super Bowl favorite if Peyton Manning had signed with them, as from my perspective the one thing they are really missing is a good quarterback (as opposed to Denver, which is missing just about everything). I don't think Arizona is going anywhere with Kolb, the Seahawks are still rebuilding (though one has to wonder how much longer they're going to give Pete Carroll on that front), and the Rams...meh.
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Well, I'm back from my multi-month self-imposed exile from the board (and this thread) so let just jump on in:
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2012-08-04, 03:44 | Link #5018 |
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Hall of Fame game this Sunday. I think the Hall of Fame inductions are today. Not as exciting of a class as last year, but good to get Willie Roaf in there. I'm still in shocked that Cris Carter isn't in the Hall of Fame.
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