2010-12-27, 14:16 | Link #7501 | |
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In manga it is usually seen through pictures, In animation and real life it is usually seen through body language, In writing it is given in the texts. It's all subtext, and it's all solid no matter how you translate it. Language barriers don't stand a chance against subtext. It's universal. Someday we may find alien life and learn to communicate with it. A new level of subtext may be born/found, but it will still fall into the category of subtext. The 'christmas story' I watched changed the times it was set in. It didn't change the subtext. People have probably laughed at the absurdity of the original subtext of the 'christmas story' (and Christmas Story), so that probably wasn't even that big of a change. I don't know why you're assuming that they needed to keep the same theme, humans have completely changed the 'christmas story' over the 2000+ years that it's existed. Not to put to fine a point on it, but most people now don't even know the true theme anymore.
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2010-12-27, 14:27 | Link #7502 | ||
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2010-12-27, 14:28 | Link #7503 | |
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About anime, try this link to understand how humor can easily be created through using/changing the texts in even the most serious situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdIhN...eature=related Enjoy! If you fail to understand, it's ok... |
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2010-12-27, 14:39 | Link #7504 | ||
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Also, Hayate was supposed to be Blue, which would be a lampshade on his role as the 'smart guy' (except that he's absolutely blind when it comes to love). Also his hair and eye color. The others of the trio have 'sentai' colors as well, though theirs haven't been played with. The 'not recognizing' is a running gag in the manga with paper-thin disguises. Sometimes they're seen through, sometimes not. Ones Maria is put into/puts on, usually seen through. Ones Nagi puts on, seen through. Ones Hayate puts on are sometimes seen through, usually seen as cosplay (and generally play on his ability to be a trap), sometimes they aren't.
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2010-12-27, 16:00 | Link #7506 |
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One of my favorite Korean manwhas is called Noblesse, which has a creative use of subtexts to create humors although the texts are still needed for understanding the meanings, and it's much more hilarious than Hayate no Gotoku (to me) even with many serious characters and actions.
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2010-12-28, 05:24 | Link #7507 | ||||
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The funny thing is that generally I have a distinct preference for the assertive type. Just not the "gets-away-with-everything-since-the-author-wants-it-like-this" model. Quote:
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2010-12-28, 11:31 | Link #7508 | |
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And of course I like it. Better Hina squirm than we get the umpteenth "passive-aggressively crying inside because Hayate isn't sensitive enough to read my mind so I'm going to stalk off and make him think I hate him again". Athena is wonderful because she forces other people to react. You might not like it, but I prefer to see how Hina deals with a tricky situation than go through the same old motions.
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2010-12-28, 11:56 | Link #7509 | |||
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Could it be you're confusing me with someone? I consider Kirino as pretty much insufferable ^_^; ... would be news to me that I'd be defending her.
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2010-12-28, 12:40 | Link #7510 | |
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Athena - Some other kind of '-dere' (I think it's usually Yandere that fans generally agree on, but we have yet to see how much of that was Midas' control.) So basically you're choosing one personality factor over another, which fans have been debating over for years on which is more popular, longer that HnG has even been around. Anyway, I much prefer Hinagiku's personality, the romanticism of wanting to be carried off by Hayate just delights me and her wanting to shed the cooler than a guy image makes her interesting, while Athena's hidden planning isn't as interesting to me. Plus I'm pretty well convinced that she's working against something the rest of the good guys want, and the fact that her backstory isn't fleshed out makes me wonder what skeletons she's got in her closet. And about Aika bringing the costume, she's a chessmaster too, we don't even know what side she's on yet, so bringing the costume was probably some part of a plan we've yet to see the full effect of yet. Maybe before this arc comes to an end with 'Alice' moving in, Hayate will get the 'revelation' dropped on him that Red is Hina. (and if you couldn't tell by the number of links to tropes in the above paragraphs, HnG is a very trope-heavy story)
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2010-12-28, 14:38 | Link #7511 | ||
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A character who has no problem to force/make others to act/react, having a hiding agenda, having unknown thoughts, trying to accomplish something (unknown to viewers) important other than getting closer to the protagonist makes every story much more interesting to read. Romance wise, it's great to see someone who's actually making moves on a thick-headed protagonist in a manga with hundreds of chapters. |
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2010-12-28, 14:48 | Link #7512 | |
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She doesn't seem to have had any compunction against possibly killing Hayate, made even worse when many of such actions happened when they were locked in the RG without the possibility of medical help if he did get a critical wound.
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2010-12-28, 14:48 | Link #7513 | |
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As such, it's probably not a coincidence that I enjoy Hina the most when she's interacting with anyone but Hayate these days. Maybe this arc will force her to get it together a little, but I'm not holding my breath. As for Athena, I look forward to seeing her start messing with people just because it has the potential to bring out all sorts of interesting interactions. If anything, Athena being slightly evil makes me like her more. (I wouldn't say I'm personally invested in Athena, so I don't really care if she's "likable" or not.) |
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2010-12-28, 15:07 | Link #7514 |
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Spoiler pics are out, as posted on MF. Courtesy link.
You may now return to your regularly scheduled I realise it's not a flamewar; I just wanted to say that.
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2010-12-28, 15:09 | Link #7515 | |
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2010-12-28, 15:33 | Link #7516 | |
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Athena was implied to have been locked in the RG even before Hayate had gotten in. If Hayate had actually gotten a mortal injury, she wouldn't have been able to go get help. And it was the training (including the kicking him in the stomach hard enough to make him complain) that I was talking about, not specifically when Midas was trying to kill him. If Hayate had gotten incapacitated during any of it, Athena would have been the only one able to help. Also, Yanderes are known for sometimes killing the ones they love because they didn't get chosen, just out of spite. I'm not trying to create a worst-case scene for Athena, just pointing out things. I really wish you'd stop trying to paint me as an Athena-hater. There's only one character in HnG that I actually dislike.
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2010-12-28, 15:56 | Link #7517 | |
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I DON'T think anyone would agree with you that Athena wanted to kill Hayate or will try to kill him in the future. Your reasonings are nonsense. Just make a poll so people CAN LAUGH ABOUT IT. |
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2010-12-28, 16:19 | Link #7518 | |
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And why do you think is she now deceiving those people whose help she obviously needs? (Hayate and Hina) I'd like to hear this now for use later. |
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2010-12-28, 16:33 | Link #7519 | |
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She didn't tell him just implied she didn't want him to be in danger for her. I don't think she's deceiving Hayate since she used the ring to tell Hayate who "Alice" really is. And, I believe she deceives Hina because she doesn't want anyone else to know about and involve with the RG since it holds a "dangerous power" which no one should possess. She even told Hayate to keep it a secret from everyone else. |
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2010-12-28, 16:54 | Link #7520 | |||
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*Remembers the "Hayateeeeeee!!!!!!"* Quote:
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I'm willing to cut Athena some slack here only for the argument of the meta-level: Telling Hayate would make it difficult to hide things from the reader, and not telling them upfront makes for more interesting storytelling. If we'd ignore that, we'd only have one more arc of "Athena in trouble, who doesn't tell the truth for some alleged noble reason, but in the end needs the help of the others anyway, who have to risk life and limb to save her". In the Greece arc, it would have been less dangerous for Hayate/Hina/Isumi had she spilled the beans truthfully. I have little doubt that the same is going to happen now. Buuuut let's wait and see. |
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