2012-10-20, 08:33 | Link #1121 |
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the case in this eps solved quickly, they spare us by not using the gun at all
as for the technology, the cloth-changing and life size avatar are useful, the octopus butler and the room theme are cool the hints are there, Akane is special
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2012-10-20, 10:12 | Link #1122 |
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Spot a kinda contradicting facts:
- It is explained that the victim in eps 1 is getting well after going through a rehab. I presume that her Psycho Pass level is getting lower - And on the other hand, people like Kougami will never get its Psycho Pass level lowered. Wonder what is the parameter Cybil used to determine it? |
2012-10-20, 10:40 | Link #1123 | ||
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Obviously I'm just talking out my ass here, but I get the feeling that the current state of the Public Safety Bureau is not quite how Sybil's designers intended it. I think humanity's natural inclination towards disassociating themselves from their actions has lead to a reliance on the Dominator to decide the best course of action. Who can argue with a machine capable of calculating and--here's the real appeal--quantifying with confidence and authority the best course of action. It may be that the Dominator was intended as a useful tool to be used at the discretion of an Inspector, rather than the replacement for all levels of law enforcement that only needs a live body to carry it around. Even if that live body is a latent criminal themselves. You know, in a way, the Dominator reminds me of the string of controversies a few years ago surrounding the arming of security enforcers and so-called rent-a-cops with stun guns. While one side argued that those against it were irrationally afraid of new, potentially life-saving technology, the other side feared that officers not properly trained in the appropriate use of such a weapon may treat it like a magical "obedience gun", and due to its non-lethal nature may adopt a "shoot first" policy, since there would be less concern for the consequences of firing. The Dominator seems to go a step further by taking the decision-making out of human hands, allowing the wielder to entirely remove oneself from the consequences of pulling the trigger, since it is the machine, not them, who decides the target's fate. It's the ultimate assuager of responsibility: A terrible weapon that is incapable of hurting anyone who doesn't legally deserve it. If someone dies, there is cold, mathematical proof that it was for the best. Of course, this paralyzing reliance on the Dominator could possibly lead us right back to: Mmm... Delicious speculah. |
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2012-10-20, 12:11 | Link #1125 | |
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2012-10-20, 12:28 | Link #1127 |
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Do you guys think Gen will make it that easy for us? Not quite sure about that.
Would be kinda boring if those predictions take place. However I like the idea of Akane becoming sinister that some people came up with, especially after watching the opening. Not that I dislike her, not at all, I actually like her quite a lot but it would add up to her character development, IHMO. Anyway, that let's see what Urobutcher will come up with. |
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2012-10-20, 12:35 | Link #1129 |
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Haha, a nice catch. I totally missed it the first time I saw this picture. God knows why; I should be able to recognize that cover anywhere!
Anyways, waiting for the Party and its leaders to emerge. But really, I'm intrigued how dissent is dealt with in this society. After all, thought crimes could potentially undermine the legitimacy of the very cornerstone of this society, the Sibyl System. It would be efficient to just lock away people trying to spread harmful memes etc. Of course, Dominator's only work when pointed to someone, so policing the Internet would have to be quite extensive to catch these thought criminals. All of the above is of course based on the relatively speculative premise that dissent is in some way deemed harmful in this society.
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The impression I'm getting is that, in the real world, a lot of cops are using tasers as the ultimate catch-all tool - It's not supposed to be lethal, but it's supposed to quickly and safely subdue a person, so cops naturally and understandably love it. But it's getting overused, as some cops just grab that taser at the first sign of trouble. Police officers tend to like things very nice, clean, and unambiguous (less chance of they themselves getting in trouble that way). And also given the dangers in their line of work, I can't blame them. But it means that a tool like the Dominator is just ripe for abuse and over-reliance, which is what I think has happened here. Quote:
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... But given that this is a Gen anime, that probably means he's not going to last too long. Back when I tried to make speculations for Madoka Magica well over a year ago, I tried to take a mostly counter-intuitive approach to things. But no, I think Gen prefers giving people honest hints over red herrings, and having nice, little bits of foreshadowing and winks-to-the-audience about where he's going. For example... that guy holding a copy of 1984 in that image. I'm not sure if Gen had any say in that image, but let's just say you don't get a much more blatant hint than that, lol.
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2012-10-20, 16:22 | Link #1134 | |
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I do hope this series dwells on the more philosophical questions while still maintaining a "cool" action side etc. Sounds almost too good to be true, but I don't know. It's not like there isn't enough material here for some serious intellectual masturbation.
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2012-10-20, 17:01 | Link #1136 |
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I would expect that 1984 is a relatively familiar cultural touchstone in Japan. So if Orwell's novel is showing up in promotional material, and there's any link, it's probably not intended to be a big secret. Interestingly enough, I recently picked up the translation of Murakami Haruki's novel "1Q84" which gives a nod to Orwell's book in the title if nowhere else. I confess I haven't done much besides crack it open yet. It looks like a doozy.
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As for 1984 itself, I read it a long time ago. While my memory of some of it is vague, it was a gripping read, and it does indeed capture the essence of totalitarianism.
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2012-10-20, 20:11 | Link #1138 | |
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And why does Cybil treats a 5 years old Kanari as the potential criminal? Hope they explain how Cybil make the judgement. |
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2012-10-20, 20:32 | Link #1139 | |||
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Cybil probably has some difficulty discerning between a regular person suffering extreme fight or flight responses due to emotional trauma, and someone on a psychopathic break. When you think about it, allot of the chemical/neurological brain activity of an untrained person in fear of their lives is gonna look allot like mental activity of a crazed psychopath. The primary difference is that one can probably be coxed out of this flight/fight mentality more easily than the other. If I was to guess why guys like Kougami can't get their psycho pass lowered, is probably because they have very innate sociopathic/violent tendencies that they can't be medicated or counselled out of. So far it doesn't seem like Cybil has the ability to completely rewrite personalities, so there will always be outlier cases that can't be treated into being safe enough for cybils standards. So it becomes a matter of committing them, or finding some other limited capacity that they can work. I will say Cybil does come off as just a little bit trigger happy based on the first episode. Though I'm wondering if allot of this is based on automatic responses in the system reacting to situations. Like if after authorizing an initial termination authorization, Cybil will authorize subsequent termination authorizations much more easily. So when the victim started growing desperate enough to set off the gasoline, the system recognized murderous thought patterns, and so automatically authorized termination in response to the situation already being escalated. When Akane managed to calm the victim down, the system recognized that, and so deescalated the authorized use of force. Quote:
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2012-10-21, 01:26 | Link #1140 |
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Another solid episode. Everyone gets nice character moments and we get a better view on the Cybil system and society as whole. As discussed, the whole system has a good intend and was just a guideline. However probably due to humans who got lazy using it, the whole world eventually turned it into their only choice and everything was autonomous. It is an interesting world and I want to know more about it.
The only slight trouble I have with the episode is that how Shinya casually talked with Akane about all his thoughts. Their conversation was nice but a bit too sudden. From the first episode, I thought Shinya would be the silent, keep to himself type and I was surprised to see the two bond so quickly
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