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Uh, I mentioned the same info a couple of pages back.... but yeah, OP's taking an early break this week. I suppose it's due to Oda having his hands tied with movie 10..... Quote:
While I highly doubt that Lucci would join up with Luffy's crew, the events of the recent ministory certainly could mean a possible alliance between the Straw-Hats and the (former) CP9 in the future. I mentioned this in a past thread, but I think that the disgraced assassins might be forced to become pirates now that they're targeted by the government, thanks to Spandam and his dad. ....And I'm still waiting for the appearance of those Rokushiki masters. Oda disappointedly skipped out on the perfect opportunity to introduce us to them in the ministory, so hopefully he'll introduce them as major antagonists in a future storyline instead. Maybe they'll turn out to be those two guys who accompanied Spandine to Ohara all those years ago.....? |
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2009-04-14, 00:17 | Link #184 |
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I see you've played your fair share of "Killer Instinct". SUPREME VICTORY!!
marvelB, I believe you mentioned the possibility of Hancock helping Luffy out if he is to go outside and encounter the vice admirals in an attempt to retrieve Ace. But, do you really think this scenario is plausible? There are 5 vice admirals outside (it's unknown if Momonga is amongst them as you said) and she is currently with Momonga. If she even dares to assist Luffy in any way and they witness such an action, then she could say goodbye to her shichibukai status. The question is, do you feel that she would be willing to have her status revoked for the sake of helping out Luffy, despite the fact that she has explicitly stated she would like to keep it? One thing is certain, severe consequences (i.e. the treaty will be broken and she and her people will be hunted by the marines) await her if she does get caught helping Luffy.
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Like I said, debating the difference in strength between these two is useless because we don't know what either party is capable off. Saying the Whitebeard pirates are stronger is just as ridiculous as me saying the Revolutionary Army is stronger. Really? How so? Quote:
But you expand that to his army. Your assumption is that because Whitebeard is the strongest man, his crew automatically must be the strongest as well. I don't see how this analysis flies. |
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2009-04-14, 03:29 | Link #186 |
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Following this logic to its natural conclusion, Dragon would also be, or at least become, enemies with the entire 3 Party System. So, both the Yonkou and the Shichibukai will become enemies for his world changing revolution.
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2009-04-14, 04:21 | Link #188 | |
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The difference between the WG/Shichibukai and the Yonkou is that the former are direct enemies. They need to fight eachother to achieve their respective goals. The Yonkou have no such obligation, and can avoid Dragon's lands if they wish. Pretty much. |
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2009-04-14, 06:39 | Link #190 |
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Oh, we know what he wants. The destruction of the World Government. We just don't know why.
This is also why the Shichibukai are automatically his enemy. The Shichibukai title is dependent on the World Government. No World Government, no Shichibukai. |
2009-04-14, 06:50 | Link #191 | |
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The thing with Shichibukai is that they are using WG or are afraid of it. Boa is a Shichibukai because otherwise WG could attack her people, and WG is the only one that is able to get there (so no help would come). Don Flamingo and Blackbeard (like Crocodile before) is planing something on the side while using WG as a shield. Mihawk is using his title just so he can fight boredom. If Dragon gave Shichibukai a diffrent way of maintaining the things they gain from WG, then he wouldn't have to fight them. If there were no WG, Hancock wouldn't have to even be a Shichibukai. I believe that Mihawk lost his purpose in life a little after becoming the strongest sworldman, because there is bearly a challange for him, and Drago could give him a new purpose. However evil guys like Blackbeard or DonFlamingo wouldn't be that easy to work with, but maybe Dragon could pull it off.
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2009-04-14, 08:41 | Link #193 |
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For one thing, Kuma's actions can be described as at least suspicious, and he knows Dragon, so maybe he's working as a spy. Boa just wants the title to support her island, and Dragon can offer as much pretty easily.
Still, neither Dragon nor Whitebeard have been shown fighting, so there are a lot of things we don't know about them (from crew numbers and DF powers to haki levels and crew level-besides Ace). |
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Well, while I can't really speak for the rest of the group, I think we can be certain that Lucci has no particular beef with the government itself.... just Spandam. He made it pretty clear during Enies Lobby that he wasn't very fond of the chief (even going as far as to say that Luffy's a better boss than he is!). Now that Spanda's laying the blame of the whole Enies Lobby fiasco on the CP9 agents, Lucci has the perfect excuse to rid himself of a nasty thorn in his side once and for all (and I doubt daddy will be able to save his son's hide THIS time.....). As far as the government itself is concerned, Lucci also made it clear that he's loyal to the WG and its ideals. Notice that he got a little carried away dealing out his brand of "dark justice" on some foolish pirates in the ministory. I'm sure he'd become an assassin for them again in a heartbeat, but he has to deal with his treacherous former chief first..... Quote:
Oh, I'm aware that Hancock has to be careful if she wants to assist Luffy again. After all, she's not as willing to give up her position as Jinbei. But that's why I kinda figure that she'd help him in a really inconspicuous manner, like she did inside Impel Down. For instance, maybe she could woo a few marine grunts, then sneak Luffy aboard a battleship or something while any nearby VAs are busy scolding their subordinates (Hancock could board a different ship instead, so as not to raise suspicion). Then all Luffy would have to do is lay low until he reaches Marineford..... And besides, I don't see how Hancock wouldn't want to help Luffy again, since she's..... y'know, in love with him. She wouldn't want those nasty marines to take her precious Luffy away..... |
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I had a thought that Whitebeard might not be as strong as he used to be. He is consider the strongest because he was a rival of Roger, but he is "hospitalizied" now, and he's got old.
I'm not saying that he's weak, but that he probably used to be stronger in his glory days. There are challengers to world strongest's title like Blackbeard or Mihawk (if he was interested), but Dragon might be one as well.
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I think the main reason Dragon was excluded from any strongest equation is because he may have never showed what he is really capable of to the others (kind of like Blackbeard). He is using an army, and the leader of that army, that is enough for the WG to consider him as the biggest threat. But they may not have a lot of idea on how strong he is. Since only the people who are really close to him may have an idea how strong he is, and those people will likely to say nothing about him, it won't be surprising to see him appearing as maybe the strongest later on.
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Sorry, there has never been a single mention that Whitebeard's crew is the strongest, or the Whitebeard pirates are the strongest. You are twisting a single mention of Newgate being the strongest man to cover every single thing related to that person.
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Do you realize that this Pirate crew, is a world power, which in this One Piece World, World Powers > Army's. |
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