sola - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[New/Old]

Heh heh. Wait until the sub release. This thread is going to be in for some more discussion. Heh heh.

[Icerack]

where did you get this from? at present time aono is a 200 year old yaka so yea she wouldnt be related to yorito but in the past who says that she isnt his blood related sister? (reincarnation or recreation the yorito now is surely being manipulated by aono in some way or another)

Spoiler:

The series is hinting heavily that in the past (and present) Aono loved Yorito very much, which then leads me to believe that they aren't blood related. Also as Nemesis has noted in ep 6, Matsuri questions the status of Aono's relationship with Yorito, followed by her promise to Aono basically to leave Yorito. Aono's breakdown at the end of ep 7 seem to imply that Yorito is way more than a brother to her. So most likey, Aono is not blood related to Yorito.

I would like to know why Aono decided to make herself Yorito's sister present day though. Maybe its because she was able to be with him in the past and now the only way to be with him now is to be his sister.

[octoberasian]

Originally Posted by Skane

Woah, woah. Last Boss? When did sola become a Shounen series? Continuing on this light-hearted track, these revelations about Aono makes me wonder how the heck will Yorito "score" with Aono in the game. Especially if some of the theories about her being an unhinged murderess is true.

Would the protagonist's internal thoughts go something like this?

"Hmm... nee-san will break my ankles if I choose to go out with Mana tonight. Should I-

a) Sneak out of the house.
b) Keep nee-san company.
c) Knock nee-san out with medication."
~~~~ ~~~~


Are there going to be "Bad Ends" like the infamous "School Days" game? Given that Aono has the second-biggest prominence after Matsuri in the promotional material, I am fairly confident that there is actually an Aono-route in the upcoming game. So how the heck will that play out?

At this point, there is very little material for a turning point in Aono's redemption (without resorting to self-sacrifice). I can sympathise with Aono, and I feel that it is okay to do so. I will only be worried if a person empathises with Aono.

I am just at a loss on how Aono can have a genuinely happy ending at this point (without resorting to plot handwaving).

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Icerack

Spoiler:

The series is hinting heavily that in the past (and present) Aono loved Yorito very much, which then leads me to believe that they aren't blood related. Also as Nemesis has noted in ep 6, Matsuri questions the status of Aono's relationship with Yorito, followed by her promise to Aono basically to leave Yorito. Aono's breakdown at the end of ep 7 seem to imply that Yorito is way more than a brother to her. So most likey, Aono is not blood related to Yorito.

I would like to know why Aono decided to make herself Yorito's sister present day though. Maybe its because she was able to be with him in the past and now the only way to be with him now is to be his sister.

Spoiler:

Hmm, if Aono is the same age as she was when she died and was revived, and most likely she is, it would probably be more logical to be brother-sister. It wouldn't be logical, given our present day and age, for them to be married. Everyone around them would think they were or are too young to be married. I think it's the one and only way for the two to be together. But, it kinda fails on Aono's part because there wouldn't be any romantic relationship unless becoming taboo ala Koi Kaze.

She should have altered Yorito's memories (if she indeed did) so that they are childhood friends living together like Kaede and Rin. (She does play the part of a mind-controlling, jealous Kaede rather well. ) Or, Nemu and Junichi of Da Capo, though I'd say their relationship now is like Kaede and Rin.

I guess Aono had to pick a form of relationship that was not illogical but still possible for them to be together. I don't know, but hopefully the reason for all this gets explained later on. This is the one possibility I could think of.

[Nemesis2124]

One thing I'm still wondering about is what exactly the favor was that Matsuri asked of Aono in the previous episode. As far as I can tell, it didn't come into play in 7 either. Then there's also the elusive gift Matsuri gave to Koyori in episode 5. Obviously, these are rhetorical at the moment, but I'm wondering if anyone has any good speculation.

[octoberasian]

Originally Posted by Nemesis2124

One thing I'm still wondering about is what exactly the favor was that Matsuri asked of Aono in the previous episode. As far as I can tell, it didn't come into play in 7 either. Then there's also the elusive gift Matsuri gave to Koyori in episode 5. Obviously, these are rhetorical at the moment, but I'm wondering if anyone has any good speculation.

I think someone else mentioned that earlier in this thread, that Matsuri promised Aono that she'd stay away from Yorito. Now, it's making me wonder why she promised Aono that, especially what Matsuri and Yorito did at the end of Ep.6. I would have assumed she would have wanted to stay with Yorito no matter what if Matsuri considered her feelings for him. But, I'm assuming she's thinking about Aono instead and putting others before her own feelings.

As for the gift, I still have no clue what it is. And, I bet Koyori lost it. XD

[Nemesis2124]

Originally Posted by octoberasian

I think someone else mentioned that earlier in this thread, that Matsuri promised Aono that she'd stay away from Yorito. Now, it's making me wonder why she promised Aono that, especially what Matsuri and Yorito did at the end of Ep.6. I would have assumed she would have wanted to stay with Yorito no matter what if Matsuri considered her feelings for him. But, I'm assuming she's thinking about Aono instead and putting others before her own feelings.

As for the gift, I still have no clue what it is. And, I bet Koyori lost it. XD

Spoiler for ep7:

Honestly, I don't think it had much to do with altruism towards Aono. If anything, it has to do with the idea that Yorito will hate her eventually, being reinforced by the memory of what she did back in the day. So I'd say it's related to Aono, but not driven by some selfless desire. There must be a reason Matsuri went into that self-loathing monologue just before she took her leave. And between her "kiss and run" and the teary breakdown at the end of 7, it's abundantly clear she's not doing this because she wants to. It's probably precisely because she considered her own feelings that she decided to quit while she was still ahead.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Nemesis2124

Spoiler for ep7:

Honestly, I don't think it had much to do with altruism towards Aono. If anything, it has to do with the idea that Yorito will hate her eventually, being reinforced by the memory of what she did back in the day. So I'd say it's related to Aono, but not driven by some selfless desire. There must be a reason Matsuri went into that self-loathing monologue just before she took her leave. And between her "kiss and run" and the teary breakdown at the end of 7, it's abundantly clear she's not doing this because she wants to. It's probably precisely because she considered her own feelings that she decided to quit while she was still ahead.

Spoiler:

I think it's fear. She's prob so close to seeing the daylight but afraid to take the next step and allow Yorito to continue. She prob knows what has to be done too.

She's afraid she'll lose him. She's afraid to get hurt. She's afraid to have a real relationship even though she really is lonely. She uses the self-loathing as justification. Aono's promise was prob an easy excuse not to get further involved.

Mayuko is just another excuse not to leave imo.

I still think it's incest. She was a little too firm in verifying the relationship in ep. 6 to Matsuri. Matsuri has gotten relationships wrong before (Yorito and Mana for instance). Aono also has no reason to lie to Matsuri imo. So with incest, both observations are valid. Aono's report that Yorito is her brother and Matsuri's insinuation of the other relationship.

[StillDaggerX]

Spoiler for About the last bit:

Needs more of that

[Telliamed]

Originally Posted by Nemesis2124

One thing I'm still wondering about is what exactly the favor was that Matsuri asked of Aono in the previous episode. As far as I can tell, it didn't come into play in 7 either. Then there's also the elusive gift Matsuri gave to Koyori in episode 5. Obviously, these are rhetorical at the moment, but I'm wondering if anyone has any good speculation.

Matsuri made the promise to leave when they were sitting in the tram car. So the favor she asked for in the kitchen was probably permission to go on that last "date".

I haven't seen anything to indicate the gift to Koyori was anything special. Just a way to prevent her from seeing Aono's shocked reaction.

[Nemesis2124]

@orion

That makes sense I guess, but I suppose I'll sit on the fence for now. Either way is logically sound.

@Telliamed

Thanks, now I can stop suspecting various plot twists. ^^;

[blitz1/2]

When Aono kicked Yorito, I was getting flashbacks of watching Rozen maiden when Shinku kicks Jun for embarassing her.

Am I the only Aono fan left?

[Icerack]

Matsuri made the promise to leave when they were sitting in the tram car. So the favor she asked for in the kitchen was probably permission to go on that last "date".

Nice thinking. I would've thought that the favor was either for Aono to tell Yorito that she's never coming back or to forget about her.

[Nemesis2124]

@blitz1/2

I wouldn't call myself a fan of Aono, but I certainly don't dislike the character either. I rather like her position in the story, and I'm rather interested in where her development will go from here.

EDIT: Giving this one a 9. I love the beginning and end segments, but I'm not so wild about the Aono outing. It wasn't bad, just noticeably more dull than any given Matsuri segment. ^^;

And on another note, the episode 8 title gives me a good feeling. I'll be fully expecting some heavy duty fluff between the lead characters. =)

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Telliamed

Like Skane said, I don't think there are "bosses" in erogames. Maybe Tsukihime? But I'm in the middle of playing that, so no spoilers please.

And I'm really thinking I need to find a copy of School Days. Is it wrong for me to want to play a game for the bad endings? (I keep killing myself in the aforementioned game because Ciel-sensei is ~so~ cute.)

Well if your playing one of the Eroge RPGs such as Rance or Utawarerumono there are bosses.

So there's a game in the works? That's.....Ass Backwards, since when does the anime come before the Visual Novel Game.

[Skyfall]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

So there's a game in the works? That's.....Ass Backwards, since when does the anime come before the Renai (assuming it lacks H Content because it's a PS2 game) Game.

Isn't that a good thing ? I think it is one of the series strengths - they don't have to worry over crap like "integrating story paths" and anything of the sort to make sure none of the characters get shafted in terms of importance/screentime etc, without evoking the hate of game fans.

If they want, they can reduce a character to support role (Mana), and there won't be any one crying blood over it.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Skyfall

Isn't that a good thing ? I think it is one of the series strengths - they don't have to worry over crap like "integrating story paths" and anything of the sort to make sure none of the characters get shafted in terms of importance/screentime etc, without evoking the hate of game fans.

If they want, they can reduce a character to support role (Mana), and there won't be any one crying blood over it.

They should do this more often. It honestly works better this way than the reverse. Whoever, came up with this idea deserves some credit (not sure if this is the first time somebody has tried something like this actually).

They've given themselves more room for flexibility by both eliminating the threat of fan backlash and giving themselves an easier time with the future adaptation (Converting the scenario to a game seems much easier). Two Birds, One Stone, One Simple Solution to a problem that has plagued this genre for so long.

[Jaden]

Ooh that was quite the jaw dropper at the end of the episode. This was the best one yet, I think...

[Sheba]

This last scene left me breathless. That was so cruel.

Yet I can't bring myself into disliking Aono, even as one who likes Matsuri a damn lot, I want to know her reasons and her motivations.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

Well if your playing one of the Eroge RPGs such as Rance or Utawarerumono there are bosses.

So there's a game in the works? That's.....Ass Backwards, since when does the anime come before the Visual Novel Game.

I agree with what everyone else says. It also cuts down on fan debates about whose path is the "true" path and whose path got shafted and how this scene was done in the game better and how the game is much better than the anime.... blah blah blah....

[PastPrime]

I wonder how long it will be before Mana puts everything she knows together and realizes that Aono and Mayuko are Yaka too. Also, I wonder if there are any male Yaka or if only females can become Yaka.