2009-04-15, 10:49 | Link #1985 | |
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2009-04-15, 10:56 | Link #1986 | |
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First, we know communications was not cut in the Cradle. They were able to communicate with the outside. Further, Nanoha was obviously able to communicate with her little scout round. As an aside, that the little scout round wasn't dissolved is a strong sign that the AMF-interference strength had been sharply cut sometime. Of course, it is hard to think of a logical reason why they would do that, but it is equally hard to imagine that little scout round surviving otherwise. Maybe it is some kind of system malfunction that occurred as the two of them blasted around... |
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2009-04-15, 11:52 | Link #1988 | |
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2009-04-15, 15:40 | Link #1990 |
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alternatively, we know from Teana's Coated Bullets that a spell bullet 'coated' in a barrier is not subject to AMF disruption.
Therefore, there's the additional possibility that Nanoha, knowing that she was in an AMF environment, used said coating technique to protect her searchers. |
2009-04-16, 00:21 | Link #1992 | ||
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We were talking about the human arm there, but back to Stinger Snipe. This is a conclusion based on the visual clearly showing a linkage back to Chrono. Besides, the only alternative is wireless (read: broadcast) command systems. Your choice, Keroko.
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So, if Nanoha sends linked magic, it'll be bombarded every inch of its way towards the round and it is hard to believe much would be left by the end of it. If Nanoha sends unlinked magic (if that is possible), then it has to be linked on site. Do you really want to credit that little scout round with self-linking capability. Quote:
Nanoha COULD have used that to delay things somewhat. But come on, that was a tiny weeny scout round and it has been floating around for many minutes. It is hard to imagine that any barrier coated around it hasn't been completely eaten away. If coatings are that good, AMF would be nearly ineffective, yet we can see it is not the case. Nanoha and Vita were having difficulty flying themselves, yet this silly little scout round acts as if the AMF wasn't there. (Obviously, the author simply didn't think about all this, but that still leaves us having to come up with something...) |
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2009-04-16, 01:49 | Link #1993 |
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So say it's not a silly little scout round. Or it is, but it's coated in a barrier that's sucking mana like a Photon Lancer Genocide Mode. Nanoha has it to burn, after all. It's also, if you don't mind me saying so, a very Nanoha-like way of dealing with the problem... apply additional firepower. ;p
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2009-04-16, 02:00 | Link #1994 | ||
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The only time we saw coating being only relatively effective was when a B-rank mage decided to try and use a AA-rank skill. After that single occasion, coating became clear to be a very effective way of countering AMF. Even Nanoha and Vita were ony having 'trouble' until they coated themselves. After that they had no problems fighting as usual, bar that it took them a lot more energy to do so. |
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2009-04-16, 06:15 | Link #1995 | ||
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Really, ark, is it that hard to believe that Nanoha has that much power to burn when she goes all out? |
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2009-04-16, 08:47 | Link #1996 |
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DB and SB have the advantage of being relatively close.
The biggest problem with the idea that she's that powerful is that they are umm ... pretty much shown to be not. They were clearly struggling against the AMF (even when all they had to do was fight drones rtaher than Vivio) like they should have if they had that much reserve. SoD aside, there is a literary component to all this - what's the plot point of an AMF on Cradle if the heroine breezes past it, and breeze past it she is if she's as relatively powerful as you suggest. But at least after some thought, I think I may have an explanation. Maybe those AMFs are enemy activated rather than just globally turned on. That would explain why it took several seconds while Nanoha and Vita ingressed before the AMF came on. Perhaps those dinky little rounds were just too small to set off the defense system... |
2009-04-16, 09:01 | Link #1997 |
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Actually, the reason why it took several seconds before they were affected was because it took several seconds for them to enter the AMF's radius.
I also didn't see them 'clearly struggling against the AMF' as you claim them to be. Sure, I saw them getting tired faster, which is no surprise as they're having to pump who knows how much more magic to get their spells going, but struggling? No. And energy is hardly a concern for heroines, just look at A's and Nanoha holding her own against a Lost Logia. As for a plot point... Rule of Cool. It makes the heroines seem that much cooler when they are debilitated by an AMF but still kick much ass. |
2009-04-16, 09:19 | Link #1998 |
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Well, if there is anything to be learned from this bull-headed discussion, Nano-verse canon is pretty much a Super Robot show. The laws of common sense and "realistic" cynicism don't apply to the Aces and co., whereas faceless grunts fall like flies.
Then again, the point of faceless grunts is to get their asses kicked, though some do manage to redeem themselves while maintaining anonymity, case in point Armored Trooper Votoms Pailsen Files episode 4. Hey, that Balarant AT pilot had the devil's own luck to survive the absolute massacre by the Barkov squad and limp his sorry self all the way to the base's cannon controls and activate that big bad boy, before Chirico and company wised up to his presence.
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2009-04-16, 10:35 | Link #2000 | |
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You are proposing a scenario that might realistically solve the problem... for an anime/magical girl show which is inherently unrealistic.
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