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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 08 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 24 | 18.05% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 28 | 21.05% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 29 | 21.80% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 31 | 23.31% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 13 | 9.77% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.50% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 2.26% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 1.50% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.75% | |
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2008-05-28, 08:51 | Link #221 | ||||
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And leaving it all up to destiny is the inverse of what they're advocating. They're saying "Don't second-guess what you were born for, just go for it. With all your might. So what if you lost at Miss Macross, or what if your family's against it? If you want to sing, sing. Go grab success with both hands and don't let go." I don't think the tears is the image she was going for. Quote:
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Also, what would you have her do at the Vajra attack? Stay there to cause more confusion? |
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2008-05-28, 10:04 | Link #222 |
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Well Sheryl is not Basara anyway... Yet.
Basara did not only have the confidence that his voice will move mountains but had the piloting skills to back it up. Sheryl has Basara recklessness and confidence but not the skills. Or a Valkyrie for that matter which Basara already had. The configuration of Frontier is different from the SDF-1 then it was necessary for Minmay to calm down the people. It wouldn't surprise me though if Sheryl and Ranka pulls a duet to end the war in a VF with Sheryl on the stick. |
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There are many things that could boost Ranka's popularity significantly, particularily if she plays an important role in the battle with the Vajra. I don't mind if the writers have Ranka surpassing Sheryl late in the series or not, so long as Ranka achieves her dreams to her own satisfaction. Sheryl's success as a character depends far less on holding on to her current position, and far more to do with developing her relationship with Alto. All Sheryl has ever known is her work; this is her best chance to discover all the missing things in her life. Quote:
It's always difficult to explain what you see in a non-verbal cue, but I'll have to try. For me, it had to do with the way that Ranka trails off into thought. It comes across as if she's sure that her curiosity doesn't quite stem from romantic interest, but she can't quite classify what it is. It looks less like Ranka is trying to cover her feelings up and more that she's trying to answer Michael's question very earnestly. But that's just what I got from it. We all know that there's going to be a love triangle here at some point. But I think this is still a transition phase. Quote:
But it's not really about the blushing; it's more about how forceful her denial is. If she had said it calmly, or attempted to explain what her real position was, then we'd know that she wasn't bothered by the question. Quote:
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I don't think the story is necessarily implying that having a belief in your own destiny is enough on its own. 'Sheryl mustn't believe in herself! She must believe in Ranka, who believes in Alto, who believes in Sheryl!' Or something like that. Nobody is ever truly in control of anything, but this is simply a way that people cope with those feelings of helplessness. For Sheryl at least, I'm sure that there's going to come a point down the line where belief alone isn't enough to succeed; how she opens up to the support of others after that could possibly play an important role in the development of her character. Quote:
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I hear that it works better with a beard, but that alternative gets ruled out for obvious reasons. I guess I won't be following a Beard x Princess pairing this time around. On a more serious note, I do think that the writers have been experimenting with Sheryl's character a fair bit as a result of striking gold in episode five. But it's very important for them to push the boundaries of her character now, while they still have the flexibility to do so. There's plenty of time to weave the nuances of her personality together later. Quote:
(I agreed with the approach that she took in the manga much more, but this is this and that is that.) I must confess that I didn't really like Sheryl all that much up until episode five. But looking back, I now have enough information to understand the reasons for her behavior, even if I don't necessarily agree with everything she did. For one thing, she's had to grow up much too fast. When she's seriously focused on her career, she comes across as much much older than she really is. One of the important changes that took place in episode five was that with Alto, she finally had the freedom to be her own age and have some fun. That's why exploring her growing relationship with Alto has been so vital to developing her character. Sheryl is fairly adept at putting up a mask to protect her feelings when the need arises. But the main point of that scene was to highlight how Ranka and Sheryl each approached a similar fear in different ways. As a consequence of her childhood trauma, Ranka is frightened at the thought of losing her last "family member" to war, which is why Ozma had to keep his piloting a secret from her for all this time. She doesn't understand why pilots need to go off to fight, which shows in the question that she poses Alto at the end of episode four. In Sheryl's case, she has no family roots. Although Galaxy was a lonely place for her, it still is the only thing that she can really call home. As such, she needs to believe in its safety in order to stay strong, as she shows in episodes six and eight. She understands why Alto has to go off and fight; while she is afraid, she knows that she also has a duty to fulfill: If Alto's job is to fight, then it's her job to sing. On stage, the line that Sheryl breaks down at is "I don't know if there'll be a day when we meet again in this vast galaxy." This has echoes of the melancholy tone that Sheryl has at the end of her date with Alto, where, despite all the fun that they had together, she remembers that she has to return to Galaxy. As she says those words on stage, she realizes that may very well have been their last meeting, which is what causes her to break down. There are some nice little details, such as the way in which Sheryl's hand unconciously reaches out for her missing earring, to really drive the point home. The strength of this scene is in showing how the characters feed off of each other's strength and determination to succeed. Sheryl can't bring herself to sing on her own strength; she struggles to put on a brave front when she hears the cries of the crowd, but she can't sustain it. When Ranka sees that Sheryl knows about what's going on and is still trying to do her best in spite of it, she in turn is able to summon up the strength to help Sheryl. That was where the real battle of the day was fought and won. |
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2008-05-28, 18:44 | Link #226 |
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Okay, I can't believe people are even arguing about it. This is a person who fusses over even the SLIGHTEST detail got wrong. She broke down in front of her fans. That's not professional. She was trying to pull herself together. If the scene is intended to show her being fake about it, then the scene would SHOW it to us, in the form of a little smirk or whatever hints shown to US (the audience), so it'll be like we know something THEY don't. But Sheryl is genuine here, the scene is as straightforward as it gets, she is clearly meant to break down at that part, and all it shows is that she can't keep a tight lid on her emotions as effectively as she think she can. You're free to interpret it however you want, but you're gonna have a hell of a time justifying your reasons on a scene that doesn't even agree with you. |
2008-05-28, 19:47 | Link #227 | |
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2008-05-28, 20:12 | Link #228 | |
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Did Ranka even want to be an Idol or did she just so happen to like singing, while being a fan of Sheryl's? Seems to me it was Sheryl's big idea for her Ranka to throw herself in with that despicable lot. |
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2008-05-28, 20:23 | Link #229 | |
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Ranka wants to sing to an audience, and 'be heard' - Sheryl's basically been the one saying "You want to be heard? Then SING." That's pretty much the message she's been giving Ranka every time she encountered her; from suggesting she could be successful enough to make it into the Miss Macross competition, to telling her to pick herself up when she was having that crisis of confidence after seeing everyone else's figures, and so forth. I don't the impression Sheryl was out to ruin the girl, because she was a fan and sung well, all the while tickling Sheryl's ego by praising her and yet (somehow) not realizing she was talking with the real deal. What she apparently wanted Ranka to do was to stop whining and wistfully muttering 'I wish I could do that', given that she seems to believe Ranka has the talent to succeed (as per the 'So she finally came out of her shell' comment when nobody's looking during the Mall incident in Ep 5). Ranka wants to be a SINGER, not necessarily an idol - to be known, and heard. However, Sheryl and others before her (Sharon Apple, Minmay) have been idols and singers, so it seems that roles are tied together... although Ranka's lack of confidence undermines her ability to sell herself. Only when she's 'out of the shell' does she shine: the "My Boyfriend is a Pilot" performance during Miss Macross as well as her "It's My Star" performance in Ep 5 reveal this, as once she stops fretting she has a natural charm and charisma which, like Sheryl, draws attention her way. |
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2008-05-28, 23:29 | Link #230 |
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Some weird movements with the TV ratings of late:
*3.0% (*1.8%) 05/24 (Sat) *1:55am-*2:25am TBS Macross FRONTIER that's a pretty big bump from the 1.8% of the previous week. It is weird how Golgo 13 and Macross kinda swapped positions. I have no idea what would have caused such a jump in this case, but my best guess is that it is a rippling effect from the awesomeness of ep 7. |
2008-05-29, 00:10 | Link #231 |
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No, it's because high school romance comedy. You know Japanese like it.
@ Wesley84 Oh, god. I am so surprised you want to emphasize the fact that Sheryl doesn't act geninuely most of the time. She of course doesn't or why have we kept saying that she just put a strong front? The whole thing people want to tell you is that is not hard to figure out when she is pretending and what are true emotions she are hiding and all. Not honest when she's with Alto? Like Alto is honest with her. When did you start to expect a couple of tsunderes would be honest to each other?
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2008-05-29, 00:19 | Link #232 | ||
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We know Sheryl wasn't serious about the lost earring despite tearing up in front of Alto because she had that little smirk going on, which no one saw except for the audience watching Macross ep 8. -_- The Macross team was showing us that Sheryl was only teasing Alto about it, and Alto doesn't know that because he didn't see the smirk - but we did. But the breaking down scene, there was nothing to suggest that. Sheryl was clearly breaking down, and the audience cries reminded her that it was unprofessional of her, that's why she tried to compose herself by brushing her tears away. Heck, there was even an extreme close up shot of her doing that, for the benefit of us watchers. -_- (Which is why I can't believe we're arguing about this.) |
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2008-05-29, 01:00 | Link #233 | |
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Damn heretics will not shatter our faith in Sheryl! I'll second that! Kinda funny though to watch this argument unfold. It's so borderlining irrationality. I'll second this too. Every now and then we all get carried away when we argue something passionately, but we should try to stay grounded when we make our arguments by staying within the limits of the information provided to us . In addition, we have to be wary of speculating, filling in the blanks, or 2nd guessing the nature of the characters too excessively because you run the risk of completely misinterpreting the true picture of what the storytellers are trying to show you. |
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2008-05-29, 01:13 | Link #234 | |
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The Sheryl hate is strong in that one...I would suggest not bothering with it, I know I don't. But heh, forums are made for discussions, even for irrational one I rewatched the episode, and Nanase is truly the only character I can't stand (and maybe Cathy, but I'll be patient for that one). It's nice for Ranka to have a friend and all that, but Nanase's unfounded and irrational hate (lol!) for Sheryl bothers me. She has no reason to be so rude to a person she barely knows, especially when that person was a great inspiration for her friend and tried to help. Well, it's also a human reaction but since there's not much more depth to her character, it grates. And mostly, Ranka is not a kid, let her speak for herself
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2008-05-29, 01:39 | Link #238 | |
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I may just end up pretending that episodes 6-8 didn't happen for the most part. They...really suck in terms of consistency of themes, characterization, action sequences, compared to the previous five episodes. I think I'll take Ranka segments to heart and leave it at that, since she's the only one to me at least seems to be undergoing a natural developement with consistent characterization (although I still have no idea what became of her job at the Nyan-Nyan.) ...Is it normal for anime writing and production staffs to just start tossing in whatever the heck they like for the first half of a series? |
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2008-05-29, 02:09 | Link #239 | ||
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[QUOTE=Swampstorm;1619443]Well, I'm with you on this one. Character development comes from exploring a character's weaknesses, not their strengths. While we've seen flashes of vulnerability from Sheryl, her real development as a character can only come when she's at her weakest. Right now the focus is on exploring Ranka's insecurities; there will be plenty of time for Sheryl to get some focus once Ranka starts cashing in a few successes. Just be patient. I would think Ranka would start getting really popular once people realizes it's her voice that is doing the actual saving of Frontier and not anyone else's. I really wouldn't mind a more open contest between Ranka and Sheryl because like you said, the characters weaknesses can make things just that much more interesting. As of now, it's like Ranka and Sheryl are still arm's length away from eachother. I suppose Sheryl transfering to Miboshi Academy is the obvious way for them to interact with one another. |
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2008-05-29, 02:34 | Link #240 | |
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It is hinted in episode 5 and 6 that Sheryl's path to stardom is not perfect at all and in some ways, she may envy the support Ranka has that she may not had. Its simply going through the stages of stardom that one finally finds the stability. I'm sure if Ranka succeeds in reaching Sheryl's present footsteps, she is no less than the definition of your 'perfectness'. |
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