2012-09-14, 01:08 | Link #10461 | |
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In other words, they're both sort of 'losers'. And Kumagawa is like the embodiment of all that, in a way? Tell me more
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2012-09-14, 01:23 | Link #10462 | |
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With how haphazardly everything has been thrown together, especially recently? Nope. No. You are trying to rationalize stupidity and inconsistency. Remember this? This is only a tiny fraction of her overall power. The idea that some random big demon guy living in a village could pose a threat to something like this is completely ludicrous. You can't possibly ask me to take it anywhere near seriously. That was a translation error, it was referring to Hanten. |
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2012-09-14, 01:44 | Link #10463 | ||
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Here's a link to another work containing one of Nishio's broken/anti-social/'failure' protagonists. Chapter one of Shin Honkaku Mahou Shoujo Risuka, translated for an edition of the Faust compilation magazine (it's been around for a while now, and extremely unlikely that we'll ever get any more translation of this series, at least from this source, so don't expect more). I found it pretty classically Nishio, my only disappointment being with the style of the illustrations and the fact that the MC was a guy, squashing the potential for any yuri I was initially hoping for. (Mahou shoujo? Shit, that should always == yuri, imho (lol).)
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2012-09-14, 01:54 | Link #10464 | ||
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Last week, the narration claimed that Ajimu was all-powerful, and we've seen plenty of evidence of that, and yet, here she is, about to have the shit kicked out of her by something that just popped out of nowhere. That's Dragonball-tier retarded, and I don't care how you spin it. Quote:
If gods are the new opponents then there's basically no point in most of the characters anyone cares about existing anymore, you know? That would be terrible. And furthermore, that would still not be able to faze Ajimu, she has a skill that lets her become God. |
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2012-09-14, 02:10 | Link #10465 | |||
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2012-09-14, 02:15 | Link #10466 |
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Whatever the heck ever happened to Zenkichi's devil style ability? I thought it was meant to nullify any kind of coincidences surrounding him.
Looking back at the jet black wedding and now, lot's of things seems rather too coincidental to me. |
2012-09-14, 02:15 | Link #10467 |
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Zenkichi got the main focus of the latter half of that arc in a way that even Kumagawa never got in his own. I don't think it was unreasonable, at the time, to think that he had become the main character.
Hell, wasn't that even the point of Devil Style, which seems to have been completely abandoned? |
2012-09-14, 02:18 | Link #10468 |
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You know, I'm pretty sure Nisio just going to have Ajimu "stall" for 15 seconds and then let him pass. Almost want to put money down on this.
It's going to be something like, "I wanted to see how you guys dealt with pressure without me helping." And thus her overpoweredness is preserved while she doesn't straight up win. A Nisio lampshade on the powerful characters getting weaker over time trope. Looks like this is going to upset a few people. I can already spot one in the thread. |
2012-09-14, 02:19 | Link #10469 |
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That's the difference between being a protagonist and an antagonist of an arc.... besides Nisio is choosing to write a novel from Kumagawa perspective, good enough for me since his LN work is much superior to what he does in manga. He aint called the God Of Light Novels for no reason...
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2012-09-14, 02:24 | Link #10470 | |
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I'm upset because I consider it idiotic, but really, it's just yet another straw on the camel's already overloaded back at this point. |
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2012-09-14, 02:27 | Link #10471 | |
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It also said she was fair to the plot twists. So she could probably obliterate him, but it would mess up the story, and she chooses not to. |
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2012-09-14, 02:41 | Link #10472 |
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Actually, if you think about it, the Shiranui village already showed they could essentially create a clone of Ajimu which is literally exactly equal to her in power and skills in her doppelganger.
It's also the origin of Hanten, Mr. Skill Maker. Maybe that's somehow related?
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2012-09-14, 02:42 | Link #10473 | |
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But that was just an illusion. |
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2012-09-14, 02:51 | Link #10474 |
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Even if it was just an illusion, it seemed like Ajimu wouldn't have been able to beat her own 'doppelganger' on her own.
Another random thought that just popped into my head. I wonder if there is any chance that Ajimu actually already knows this IIhiko person, or like maybe met him in the past. Just a random thought going by her surprised expression when he first appears smashing through the wall, since that might make more sense than her being surprised at a person throwing around Shiranui and Obi? I dunno, just random thought. We know Nisio like's word games with his names, does this guy's name mean anything or have any sort of pun?
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2012-09-14, 03:00 | Link #10475 | |
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However, the narration explicitly stated that this might've been a mistake/weakness for Ajimu this time, and you can consider the explanation for this being that the present obstacle is on a similar level to the Not Equals (despite not being a Not Equal. Think of it in a duological nature: i.e. the Shiranuis and the Kurokami's--opposing, but different). This Iihiko guy is probably the primary concern who Shiranui Hanten exists to contain/protect the world from/deal with. The point is, even if you consider Ajimu All-Powerful, it's not like she's using (or capable of using) all of her power at the same time. In particular, it's not like Ajimu has completely developed all of her power as of this time. Ajimu's power is basically to "overcome impossibilities", and the finite number of skills she collected might be on some level simply remnants of that. If Ajimu encounters something "impossible" right now, it's guaranteed that she will eventually be able to do it, but not necessarily at this very moment. The truth is, Ajimu should probably be expected to grow in skills/powers as she encounters new impossibilities; it's just that Ajimu has lived/searched for impossibilities for so long now that she already has overwhelming control over any sort of situation encountered by normal humans. Remember that Ajimu's weakness (like the rest of the All Jokers, apparently) was that actually she lets her opponents get in the first shot. She purposely allows/makes herself vulnerable, she purposely doesn't prepare herself. In that case, if she suddenly encounters another person on the level of a Not Equal, it's quite obvious she might not be prepared to protect other people. This doesn't mean that Ajimu doesn't have her 'all-powerful' nature in the sense of being able to do whatever she wants, at her leisure, if she needs to; but that she is capable of being caught off guard, and is not always in full-control of the situation (by conscious choice). |
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2012-09-14, 03:02 | Link #10476 | |
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That's what happens when you make an all powerful character. Your choices are 1. Give them a reason not to use their full power (boredom, suicidal, want the fight to be more fun, don't want to take away the victory/experience from someone else, don't want to cheat the story, etc) 2. Make other characters with similar power levels (hey, if there can be one, why not two) |
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2012-09-14, 06:17 | Link #10478 |
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Nice way to hype the new guy. I can see that though, Kumagawa can beat her because of the Nature of his powers, I get that. But what could this guy do to make her sweat like that?
Next chapter is going to be a good one, for us action lovers. |
2012-09-14, 06:42 | Link #10479 | |
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Ajimu simply enjoys theatergoing. As an all-powerful and all-knowing being, she could simply put an end to everything, but she won't do so because the story wouldn't be interesting if she did that. At least, that's how I see it. She's now part of the "protagonists party", she wants to enjoy the adventure with them, not meta-hacking everything to easily win and be bored to death for all eternity again. |
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