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adrianmak · 2006-11-02, 23:22

I have a one more question.
If you watch carefully , say frame by frame
the first romji "KEITAI DEKA" is rotating in Y-axis

How to do it in AFX ? I know it is a simple operation but I' a AFX newbie actually.

Sylf · 2006-11-03, 02:14

I know you're asking for afx solution, but for something as simple as that, why not create the background white blur thing with afx, and put the text using ASS, using \frx90\t(\frx0) ?

Devastator · 2006-11-03, 07:09

Otherwise, if you insist on using AFX, the Tilt property of Basic 3D (starting from a negative angle) can do that.

adrianmak · 2006-11-03, 18:02

a non-technical question.
http://www.adobe.com/products/aftere...ves_spins.html
I found a url in adobe website showing AE7 has these page 1-21 text effects
Are all these built-in AE7 ? does AE 6.5 has these text effects too without installing 3rd party plugins

Medalist · 2006-11-03, 18:47

Those are Animation Presets...that are installed with 7.0. I'm sure 6.5 has equivalent presets. Since you can view preview of them..they should be self-explanatory.

adrianmak · 2006-11-03, 22:38

I downloaded the ssa import script. How do I use it in AE ?

Devastator · 2006-11-04, 00:11

The video on his site tells you how to use it, but anyways go to File -> Scripts -> Run Script File, select the script and it'll prompt you to locate the SSA file. The script will create a new composition with the text from the SSA file and you should be good to go. I've found that I run into errors if I have empty dialogue lines, so make sure you get rid of them first if you have any.

adrianmak · 2006-11-04, 07:43

In my understanding, the workflow of using AE to create op karaoke effects is
1. clip out the OP part from RAW. For example use VDM direct stream copy
2. import the OP part into AE and create effects
3. output the final work
4. using avisynth to combine the OP part (w/ karaoke effect) with the rest of the RAW and add subtitle and re-encode the final anime with subbed

My question is in step 3 , the output may require a video re-encode process
and then in step 4, it required another re-encode process. The op quality may degrade a lot.

So how to maintain the quality when output from AE ? is it possible without re-encode process for output ??

Devastator · 2006-11-04, 08:59

It is true that by encoding there will be some quality loss (however significant / insignificant), so I try to stick to methods that require less encodes of any particular video. I don't think it's feasible (at least not currently) to take an AEP and apply it directly to the video via AviSynth.

So the next best thing in my opinion is to use the method explained earlier on in the thread which is to output the karaoke on its own in RGBA with Lags and use the Overlay command in AviSynth to mesh the two together.

That way the karaoke only sees 2 encodes (one to lossless via AFX and one to combine it with the video) and the raw only sees 2 (it was likely already encoded to some lossy codec before you worked with it).

TheFluff · 2006-11-04, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devastator

It is true that by encoding there will be some quality loss (however significant / insignificant)

Not if you use a lossless video codec with the same colorspace. For AFX output, this is lagarith in 32-bit RGB mode (or huffyuv). For XviD video or similiar, it's any lossless codec that supports YV12. If you use one of these and don't do any colorspace conversions between decoding and encoding (use fast recompress in vdub), there won't be any losses whatsoever no matter how many times you encode it. (Sorry, was a bit anal there.)

Of course, if you encode each step with XviD or another lossy codec, the lossage of each pass will be significant. So don't do that.

Medalist · 2006-11-05, 10:06

I have this lagarith lossless file that i import into afx with the kara done in a comp already. When I put the lossless file at the bottom of all the text layers. I don't see the text on top of the video...just as if the text was in a blank black composition. If I do a ram preview with the avi / lossless only the audio goes. If i make it's own composition for the video ...it's still a blank black composition. If I double click the video in the Projects tab...It shows correctly as if nothing wrong.

Is there a reason for this and how can i fix it?

Devastator · 2006-11-05, 17:29

I'm afraid I don't have an answer for that. I do know about the problem, the encoder in my group ran into the same issue with one of the karaokes. I asked him about it earlier today to find out if he remembered if and how he fixed it, but got nothing. The solution that was used at the time was I ended up rendering it out myself.

In all the time that I've worked with AFX, I've never been able to reproduce the issue. Only thing I can say is try troubleshooting. Test to see if other videos can be seen, if yes, then it's probably an issue with that particular video (so perhaps try re-encoding it using different settings and test again). If the other videos can't be seen, then it might be a setting in the program, perhaps if the project was set up by someone else some of the settings they use prevents the video from being viewed in the composition.

Medalist · 2006-11-05, 18:19

Yeah. It was the file itself. Well Huffyuv and Lagarith didn't work for it. HuffYuv works but screws the color pixels to all mixed up. Lagarith...just didn't work with the file in AFX. But i used a different Lossless codec and it worked.

adrianmak · 2006-11-05, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFluff

Not if you use a lossless video codec with the same colorspace. For AFX output, this is lagarith in 32-bit RGB mode (or huffyuv). For XviD video or similiar, it's any lossless codec that supports YV12. If you use one of these and don't do any colorspace conversions between decoding and encoding (use fast recompress in vdub), there won't be any losses whatsoever no matter how many times you encode it. (Sorry, was a bit anal there.)

Of course, if you encode each step with XviD or another lossy codec, the lossage of each pass will be significant. So don't do that.

how to set AFX output to RGBA ? I'm a AFX newbiew

Devastator · 2006-11-05, 20:34

Go to Edit > Templates > Output Module. I created a new setting by clicking on the New button and giving it a name. Then click Edit, set Channels to RGB + Alpha, Color to Straight (Unmatted) and click on Format Options. Select Lagarith and click on Configure. I'm not sure if it's required or not, but I always assure the mode is set to RGBA.

Provided that you keep your setting name listed in the slot in the Output Module Templates window, AFX should default to use that module. If you change Lagarith to use RGB elsewhere, you'll need to change it back to RGBA though.

To make sure that AFX is using your module, the name should appear in the Output Module in the Render Queue when you place your composition there. By clicking on the name of the module, you can access the same Output Module Settings that was seen when editing the new module (but any changes here won't be saved).

zalas · 2006-11-05, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uchikatsu

Yeah. It was the file itself. Well Huffyuv and Lagarith didn't work for it. HuffYuv works but screws the color pixels to all mixed up. Lagarith...just didn't work with the file in AFX. But i used a different Lossless codec and it worked.

Are you sure you had HuffYUV/Lagarith encoding a RGB/RGBA video stream? As far as I know, AfterFX chokes on YUV for Lagarith.

Medalist · 2006-11-05, 22:02

I'm sure. But I'm pretty sure it was just on my end I guess or something. But yeah. I'm sure.

adrianmak · 2006-11-06, 04:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devastator

Go to Edit > Templates > Output Module. I created a new setting by clicking on the New button and giving it a name. Then click Edit, set Channels to RGB + Alpha, Color to Straight (Unmatted) and click on Format Options. Select Lagarith and click on Configure. I'm not sure if it's required or not, but I always assure the mode is set to RGBA.

Provided that you keep your setting name listed in the slot in the Output Module Templates window, AFX should default to use that module. If you change Lagarith to use RGB elsewhere, you'll need to change it back to RGBA though.

To make sure that AFX is using your module, the name should appear in the Output Module in the Render Queue when you place your composition there. By clicking on the name of the module, you can access the same Output Module Settings that was seen when editing the new module (but any changes here won't be saved).

I didn't see Lagarith in Format options. I'm using AE 6.5

Devastator · 2006-11-06, 07:18

I would assume that means that you did not install Lagarith then. It shouldn't matter whether you use 6.5 or 7.
http://lags.leetcode.net/codec.html

G.U.N.D.A.M · 2006-11-26, 09:25

guys how can i use the effect /kf in AE ??
when i import ssa files AE dosen't show any kfs (i use SSA Import)

2006-11-02, 23:22	Link #141
adrianmak Member Join Date: Nov 2006	I have a one more question. If you watch carefully , say frame by frame the first romji "KEITAI DEKA" is rotating in Y-axis How to do it in AFX ? I know it is a simple operation but I' a AFX newbie actually.

2006-11-03, 02:14	Link #142
Sylf 翻訳家わなびぃ Fansubber Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 50	I know you're asking for afx solution, but for something as simple as that, why not create the background white blur thing with afx, and put the text using ASS, using \frx90\t(\frx0) ?

2006-11-03, 07:09	Link #143
Devastator Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	Otherwise, if you insist on using AFX, the Tilt property of Basic 3D (starting from a negative angle) can do that.

2006-11-03, 18:02	Link #144
adrianmak Member Join Date: Nov 2006	a non-technical question. http://www.adobe.com/products/aftere...ves_spins.html I found a url in adobe website showing AE7 has these page 1-21 text effects Are all these built-in AE7 ? does AE 6.5 has these text effects too without installing 3rd party plugins

2006-11-03, 18:47	Link #145
Medalist Infie Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas	Those are Animation Presets...that are installed with 7.0. I'm sure 6.5 has equivalent presets. Since you can view preview of them..they should be self-explanatory.

2006-11-03, 22:38	Link #146
adrianmak Member Join Date: Nov 2006	I downloaded the ssa import script. How do I use it in AE ?

2006-11-04, 00:11	Link #147
Devastator Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	The video on his site tells you how to use it, but anyways go to File -> Scripts -> Run Script File, select the script and it'll prompt you to locate the SSA file. The script will create a new composition with the text from the SSA file and you should be good to go. I've found that I run into errors if I have empty dialogue lines, so make sure you get rid of them first if you have any.

2006-11-04, 07:43	Link #148
adrianmak Member Join Date: Nov 2006	In my understanding, the workflow of using AE to create op karaoke effects is 1. clip out the OP part from RAW. For example use VDM direct stream copy 2. import the OP part into AE and create effects 3. output the final work 4. using avisynth to combine the OP part (w/ karaoke effect) with the rest of the RAW and add subtitle and re-encode the final anime with subbed My question is in step 3 , the output may require a video re-encode process and then in step 4, it required another re-encode process. The op quality may degrade a lot. So how to maintain the quality when output from AE ? is it possible without re-encode process for output ??

2006-11-04, 08:59	Link #149
Devastator Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	It is true that by encoding there will be some quality loss (however significant / insignificant), so I try to stick to methods that require less encodes of any particular video. I don't think it's feasible (at least not currently) to take an AEP and apply it directly to the video via AviSynth. So the next best thing in my opinion is to use the method explained earlier on in the thread which is to output the karaoke on its own in RGBA with Lags and use the Overlay command in AviSynth to mesh the two together. That way the karaoke only sees 2 encodes (one to lossless via AFX and one to combine it with the video) and the raw only sees 2 (it was likely already encoded to some lossy codec before you worked with it).

2006-11-05, 10:06	Link #151
Medalist Infie Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas	I have this lagarith lossless file that i import into afx with the kara done in a comp already. When I put the lossless file at the bottom of all the text layers. I don't see the text on top of the video...just as if the text was in a blank black composition. If I do a ram preview with the avi / lossless only the audio goes. If i make it's own composition for the video ...it's still a blank black composition. If I double click the video in the Projects tab...It shows correctly as if nothing wrong. Is there a reason for this and how can i fix it?

2006-11-05, 17:29	Link #152
Devastator Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	I'm afraid I don't have an answer for that. I do know about the problem, the encoder in my group ran into the same issue with one of the karaokes. I asked him about it earlier today to find out if he remembered if and how he fixed it, but got nothing. The solution that was used at the time was I ended up rendering it out myself. In all the time that I've worked with AFX, I've never been able to reproduce the issue. Only thing I can say is try troubleshooting. Test to see if other videos can be seen, if yes, then it's probably an issue with that particular video (so perhaps try re-encoding it using different settings and test again). If the other videos can't be seen, then it might be a setting in the program, perhaps if the project was set up by someone else some of the settings they use prevents the video from being viewed in the composition.

2006-11-05, 18:19	Link #153
Medalist Infie Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas	Yeah. It was the file itself. Well Huffyuv and Lagarith didn't work for it. HuffYuv works but screws the color pixels to all mixed up. Lagarith...just didn't work with the file in AFX. But i used a different Lossless codec and it worked.

2006-11-05, 20:34	Link #155
Devastator Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	Go to Edit > Templates > Output Module. I created a new setting by clicking on the New button and giving it a name. Then click Edit, set Channels to RGB + Alpha, Color to Straight (Unmatted) and click on Format Options. Select Lagarith and click on Configure. I'm not sure if it's required or not, but I always assure the mode is set to RGBA. Provided that you keep your setting name listed in the slot in the Output Module Templates window, AFX should default to use that module. If you change Lagarith to use RGB elsewhere, you'll need to change it back to RGBA though. To make sure that AFX is using your module, the name should appear in the Output Module in the Render Queue when you place your composition there. By clicking on the name of the module, you can access the same Output Module Settings that was seen when editing the new module (but any changes here won't be saved).

2006-11-05, 22:02	Link #157
Medalist Infie Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas	I'm sure. But I'm pretty sure it was just on my end I guess or something. But yeah. I'm sure.

2006-11-06, 07:18	Link #159
Devastator Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	I would assume that means that you did not install Lagarith then. It shouldn't matter whether you use 6.5 or 7. http://lags.leetcode.net/codec.html

2006-11-26, 09:25	Link #160
G.U.N.D.A.M Member Join Date: Feb 2006	guys how can i use the effect /kf in AE ?? when i import ssa files AE dosen't show any kfs (i use SSA Import)