2009-10-29, 05:48 | Link #181 |
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About the thing that accelerator touch. His still touching it as a whole. The body of the person and its all connected as long as its not outside of the body.
And touma can still stop railgun but even he stop the power of it the momentum that has been inputted on the coin will still hurt him.... I think. And what's the point of arguing real life physics on a fictional work. Even though its been suggested as psifi and has science applied its still funny to question it to much based on your own knowledge of stuff. |
2009-10-29, 09:35 | Link #182 | |
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2009-10-29, 11:56 | Link #183 |
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Uhuh... Teach me what you know then, and explain systematically how such things are not physically possible (take my post on how Misaka's railgun works a few pages back as an example) -- since what I know states otherwise.
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2009-10-29, 13:53 | Link #184 | |
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Conversely, if that doesn't work, then he's not touching anything. Particles rarely touch each other. What we think of as touch is simply electromagnetic repulsion by electrons. If he can't treat objects as arbitrarily connected, then he can't use his power on anything. Even if we assume some arbitrary small range he has for his power, that doesn't explain how he can affect the entirety of large objects like the steel bars he was throwing around. By all logic, he should only be able to make the tiny part of it he was close to move, although maybe the rest can be dragged around. That's not what happened though. If that's what happened they would've bent in rather odd ways. This, I think, is the best evidence of any that psychic powers work more on what the user thinks they can than any rationally arguable limitations. |
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2009-10-30, 07:26 | Link #185 | ||
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Touma can stop Railgun's 'railgun', however, even though he has never been able to stop other purely momentum-based weapons. The simplest answer is that Railgun's 'railgun' isn't a real railgun; it simulates, but it keeps psychic power in it even in-route. Which a railgun doesn't. Touma's power* can only nullify the supernatural/things under supernatural effect. *Which may not even be a physic one, strictly speaking, because it happens without his will or consent, though all other psychic powers are controllable. Quote:
A whip of iron sands can be manipulated by two ways: the magnetic fields off of herself, or the magnetic fields from running a current through the sands. A field off of herself is ridiculous to anyone who's seen what the field lines of a magnetic field at distance are. They quickly even out, become round, and are drastically weakened because of the inverse square relationship between a field source and the magnetic force on a point. (As in, it weakens at a rate of 1/r^2, r being distance.) You can not manipulate something as wild, uneven, as a whip from distance: the field would not support it physically or coherently. Running electricity through the iron sands is comedic. Not only is that the process of turning iron sands into glass (fulgurites), it suffers gross ignorance of how wire fields act upon eachother. Each element of the wire produces it's field. As the whip is extended (by any means), the relationship radically shifts in the space of from how it was when the whip was drawn in, doubled in on itself. Any theoretical attempt to make it snap would require more continuous calculations and alterations than the computer you're reading this could keep up with, let alone any human mind however altered. Any actual attempt to strengthen the current to make the field strength stronger would see your 'whip' collapse as the iron sands move closer to the source of the field as more and more of your sand turn to glass. Last edited by Dean_the_Young; 2009-10-30 at 07:46. |
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2009-10-30, 07:31 | Link #186 | |
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Just looking at the case of changing brain electrons. To do so, Accelerator would have to bypass: any hair he was touching, the multiple layers of skin (epidermis, dermis, hypodermis), the skull itself, and the dura itself (the brain sac that covers the the brain and separates it from other things) even before he could get to the brain itself. In order to manipulate electrons in the brain, he has to go between many, many layers of separate coverings. |
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2009-10-30, 18:44 | Link #187 | |
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2009-10-31, 03:41 | Link #188 |
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I would be surprised if he can even manage to reflect it given the situation and the calculation his doing. Doing molecular level calculation within the brain is hard enough to even imagine.
And yes if he can touch the whole atmosphere as one then his completely invisible and his power lies infinite but for some reason he can't maybe if he can reach level 6. |
2009-10-31, 16:49 | Link #189 | |
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2009-10-31, 23:40 | Link #190 |
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The whole argument exemplifies the notion that people believe what they want, rather than what the facts are.
Really, there is not anything inconsistent when ALL of the sources- manga and anime, clearly showing Touma repelling the railgun attack. The reason why the Imagine Breaker can negate Mikoto's railgun but not Accelerator's steel bars is simple: Accelerator applied his Vector Change to lift the steel bars upwards- NOT towards Touma, therefore the momentum driving those steel bars at the moment prior to the bars hitting Touma is a resultant of gravitational force and not of any esper ability. On the other hand the force which propels the coins comes from Mikoto's electro-magnetism. Another noteworthy point is that the steel bars are launched in an AoE fashion, so even if they are blockable it would be impossible to block all of them without getting crushed by any of the stray bars. Hence evading them would be a wiser choice. |
2009-11-01, 06:01 | Link #191 | |
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First, let me just say that Imagine Breaker was never confirmed to be Psychic in nature. Neither is it Magical or Divine. It's something unknown that I guess the author will elaborate more on as the series nears its conclusion.
Did everyone forget about the AIM Field the characters seldom talk about? The way I see it, psychics are ranked according to the "size" of their AIM "bubble" and their computational speed/capacity/accuracy. For example, there is another teleporter who doesn't need physical contact -- this one almost became the 8th LVL5. we can assume that this person's AIM bubble(s) is/are bigger than Kuroko's in several ways (range, target acquisition/recognition, tracing, rendering, etc.). On Accelerator's case, yes he has an amazing brain. No wonder he'd need over 9000 brains to power his vector-altering calculations when his own brain got damaged. Anyway, arguing about how psychics invoke their powers and the amount of computation needed to maintain them would never lead to any conclusion. It's like talking about time travel -- no RL time travelers, no definite, all encompassing way to explain time travel mechanics and paradox formation. Quote:
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2009-11-03, 04:27 | Link #192 | |
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2009-11-03, 07:11 | Link #193 | |
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... Guess the audience's not the only ones outside the fourth wall to assume that Touma couldn't block it...
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2009-11-03, 15:36 | Link #194 | |
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Another thing I'm thinking of is whether Touma can block Kuroko's needles. Sure, he can stop her powers just by touching her, but as long as she avoids it (which is easy as long as she isn't taken by surprise) and doesn't aim for his right arm, can't she theoretically just materialize deadly objects inside his vital organs and kill him? I'm wondering why because a natural side plot (which the author will never write) is that Kuroko will become so jealous that she will attempt to kill Touma. Even knowing her limits I don't think Touma can reasonably stop her. |
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2009-11-05, 01:33 | Link #197 | |
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though if we look into specifics i don't think there's an accurate description of how her ability works when teleporting objects into other ones |
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2009-11-05, 10:27 | Link #198 | |
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In the back of Kuruko's mind she's asking "What does Oneesama see in this guy?". Which is why she let Touma in her dorm. Almost suffering punishment from the dorm manager. She hasn't seen Touma yet in preachy hero mode. |
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2009-11-05, 19:44 | Link #200 |
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She was holding his right arm at that time. That was all. I don't think the "catch his right arm" coincidences aren't a very good idea, because it invites the reader's curiosity of "but what if it wasn't the right arm?" And then the author may simply not address it.
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