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Anyway the oxygen trick was tried by an Imouto, Accelerator countered by sticking close to her. Quote:
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But you are right, as you could see from the anime, you can overload him with and insane amount of calculation that he cannot use his powers. Aside from that and Imagine Breaker, there are some other insane methods use to defeat his Redirection powers. I'm assuming you don't follow the spoilers so I'll leave it as that.
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2010-08-25, 22:15 | Link #1285 | |
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The only way to one-hit kill Accel is using Fiamma. He has an ability that does not follow the rules of physics.
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2010-08-25, 22:36 | Link #1287 | |
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Yeah, I don't want to hijack this thread, so I'll only say a bit more and then let it return to normal.
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Blind and deafen him after softening him up with some vacuum slashes to heighten the pain he's feeling, then remove the oxygen. Not saying it would be successful, only that it was a possibility (whatever % of success you want to assign to it). I just found it a bit hard to believe Mikoto would stand 0 chance against him. But I do recognize he is strong. And I do kinda follow the spoilers and the light novels, although there are chunks missing from the LN translation page, and in some ways, the mechanics of the universe and all the various powers are becoming too complex. I kinda gave mostly trying to compare and say "who would win?" because it basically boils down to who the author wants to win. |
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2010-08-25, 22:39 | Link #1288 | |
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2010-08-26, 06:33 | Link #1289 | |
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2.) Accelerator can manipulate almost anything. It'd be a reasonable weakness if he couldn't manipulate anything that doesn't have a vector, but he was written to even be able to manipulate heat. Heat is a scalar quantity and does not have a unified direction to it, yet Accel can manipulate it. It's safe to assume that Accelator's power would shield him from the vacuum too. 3.) You have no idea what he does redirect. Because... 4.) Accelerator does redirect light vectors. Ever wonder why he's completely pale, his eyes are red, and his hair white? His body redirects the ultraviolet part of the light spectrum, even though small doses aren't harmful to the body at all because the human body produces pigments to absorb light. His body does reflect light, which is why his skin, hair, and eyes have no pigments. As for sound, even if he does have to consciously redirect it, he can do it in no time at all. He redirected Mikoto's electricity and railgun with little effort, and her attacks aren't exactly slow. Also, Accelerator does not have to completely block out sound. Sound acts as vibrations through a physical medium, like air. With Accel's ability, he could soften the sound down to a harmless intensity. 5.)Sure, if you can think of a way to follow him for weeks without getting caught or harming others in the process. A lot of water supplies are through public facilities. If that gets zapped, the entire supply could be affected, meaning others who use said facilities would be affected as well. Application of their powers does leave some room for debate, but Accelator has shown enough how precise he can be with his powers. If he was able to remove a virus from Last Order's memory without harming any of her other brain functions, he can certainly handle anything less complicated like protecting himself. |
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2010-08-26, 14:51 | Link #1290 |
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you see the problem is that Kamachi isn't good with physics: if accelerator's power actually was "merely" vector manipulation, then yeah, it might be possible for mikoto to harm him in some way. But it's not. Accelerator's power works on pretty much anything except for magic, including dark matter, that's why we say Mikoto doesn't stand a chance...
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2010-08-26, 15:12 | Link #1291 | |
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Also accelerator power works on a quamtum lvl while so far mikoto is on molecular level at best. He cant work with magic so far unless you add his strong AIM field and his awaken form. Darkmatter while it doesnt follow this universe rules doesnt mean it doesnt follow rules, is basically reverse engeniering. |
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2010-08-26, 19:28 | Link #1292 |
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Looks like Mikoto finally loses it this time. The conclusion is foregone, but it would be nice if at the end of the Sisters arc we see some hint that she's NOT 'all better' or something. She pretty clearly lost it in this arc, and it'd make her a more interesting character if she had to deal with mild insanity for a prolonged time. |
2010-08-26, 22:51 | Link #1293 |
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He's pretty much invulnerable to most magic anyways because supposedly when magic comes in contact with his AIM field it turns into harmless colorful lights instead of redirecting it. Accelerator himself doesn't know why this happens.
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2010-08-26, 23:58 | Link #1294 |
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ah... guys, guys, GUYS! calm down on accelerator discussion and on his power and on his overwhelming winning against mikoto.
It's supposed to be railgun manga discussion. And as the spoiler states. the next part is already in the bridge and their wouldn't be any battle for accelerator and mikoto on the future arcs. Let's focus on the up coming battle of angry mikoto and touma then mikoto trying to help touma against accelerator. She even tried to commit suicide by firing railgun at accelerator directly. |
2010-08-27, 00:20 | Link #1295 | |
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It is you who is not good with physics here, not Kamachi. Take this to the Accelerator thread or the metaphysics discussion thread if you want in-depth analysis on why the proposed ways for Mikoto to "defeat" Accelerator will all fail horribly.
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2010-08-27, 10:06 | Link #1296 |
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Even though there's not much left to this arc, there's still a brief moment where Mikoto is left alone that could be covered. Touma went on his own to stop Accelerator, before Mikoto followed on her on volition. Maybe we could better see how she changed from being in suicidal despair to having enough faith to depend on someone else for help.
The Sisters arc is Mikoto's story, after all, and I think she changed the most after this arc. Mikoto always did things on her own and refused help from others, because I think she was a bit cynical on humanity to begin with. Spoiler for ch3:
Mikoto thinks that no one would help others they don't know or if they're not sure they can succeed. Since Mikoto has to find a way to stop Accelerator, and Accelerator is the strongest, she thinks that no one would come help her, so she isolates herself and tries to deal with the experiment on her own. Since she's failing everytime, Mikoto starts to believe more and more that she can't stop the experiment. If she can't stop the experiment, and she believes no one would willingly help her stop the experiment, she falls into despair. Of course, that's where Touma comes in again. Like that time he helped her against those thugs, he goes against Mikoto's beliefs on human morality. Since Touma is willing to put himself in danger for the sake of others, Mikoto finally asks for someone else's help, not for herself, but to help Touma. You could say that against Accelerator is the only time Mikoto really put herself in any real danger. Before, she was never in real danger because she knew she had the power to outclass any opponent, so she always did things on her own. |
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2010-08-27, 13:23 | Link #1299 |
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well who's insane person would even bother helping mikoto if her enemy is accelerator and the dark side of the academy city. It's a good thing touma is an ignorant person when it comes to that. He only needs to help and that's that. He doesn't care what happen after it.
Well even after this experience. She still do things her own way and by herself. EDIT: after the translation of vol 13 and the part where Accelerator use the gravity force of the Earth. A smart guy from 2ch did some calculation and said that the fire power is enough to destroy the earth but magically the center tower where Aleister leave is still unscathed from it. Well it's not like while his doing it, it would end up destroying the earth. But doing so would make his standing unstable and probably a tsunami their and earthquake here in every place because the core stop spinning. Last edited by tsunade666; 2010-08-27 at 14:14. |
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