2010-10-16, 08:53 | Link #101 |
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Sigh. Naruto is getting shittier by the minute. First off, how does Deidara come back? His whole body exploded so there was nothing left. Did Kabuto take tissue/dna samples from him or something from when he was alive?? OK even if he did do that, how the hell does he have his full memory and free will, limited by what Kabuto imposes on him? That's just stupid. This manga has no boundaries. Kishi just pulls shit from his ass.
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2010-10-16, 09:07 | Link #102 |
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^^ Well it was stated/seen in the first part that edo tensei can bring the dead back, the only difference from back then is that this ones have more freedom. Also Kabuto didn't bring their bodies back just thier souls that take their previous form.
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2010-10-16, 09:16 | Link #103 |
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Hey, you leave my Luffy alone...
Seriously though, people seem to forget that Naruto is written for an audience somewhere around the age of 13 (One Piece and Bleach are as well), so even if we find the jokes bad (which the armadillo joke was bad, but I did chuckle at the idea that Naruto was so adamant at knowing the sex of all the giant beasts) and the maturity level slightly low, this is undoubtedly because the story is not written for a higher maturity level to begin with. |
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Edo Tensei revived First Hokage+Second Hokage. They had their memories, talked to the Third and wondered about Orochimaru before he inserted a seal in the back of their heads, which killed their personality. Kabuto has a different version of Edo Tensei. To use Edo Tensei, you attach the soul of the deceased to a pre-existing body. Orochimaru used the two sound ninjas in the chuunin exams. (The guy with the air blasting jutsu, the girl that fought with needles+strings vs Shikamaru) I'm not sure who's pulling shit out of their ass, right now. Quote:
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Rasengan is a basic technique, i think that naruto used more Sexy no Jutsus than Rasengans
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IMHO, Naruto ins't the gemstone of manga's history... but is quite understimated, we forget that this manga is a KIDS manga, not an adult history, you can't ask complex personalities. What focuses the attention are the fights and explanation of why certain things happen.
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2010-10-17, 03:24 | Link #111 | |
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"I don't believe it!" "Believe it!" "I don't believe it!" "Believe it!" "Okay, I believe it. Allow me to retcon the deaths of everyone in the village making this arc entirely pointless." |
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2010-10-17, 05:49 | Link #112 |
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I thought people should have been aware that the only reason all the old akatsuki have been revived is because Kishi can't be bothered to think of new villains for the story anymore.
I don't necessarily think this revival is that much of a bad thing though, It has a lot of potential. But why not revive Hidan? The best akatsuki member? Also the penis joke was downright cringe-worthy, Just terrible execution. Those are funny in hajime no ippo though.
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2010-10-17, 07:53 | Link #113 | |
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2010-10-17, 08:10 | Link #114 |
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I think the problem with comic relief in Naruto is the simple fact that series has become serious and melodramtic; Comic relief moments just seem jarring at this point. The same thing has happened with bleach, however unlike Naruto the comic relief moments in bleach are more capable of being honestly funny enough for it to get a pass; jokes in Naruto are just too lame... in contrast, One piece has managed to maintain a consistent blend of being serious and comedic, often even mixing comedy into the fights, and as such the comedy in well excepted as it ALWAYS been a part of the series
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BUT, there is a big BUT (no pun intended ), that conversation did have a pillar in which Kishi pretty much based the "conversion".... it was so simple as Pain remember his naive solution to Jiraiya's problem. So, at least me, i'm ok how Kishi ties that loose end: -There is Jiraiya's prophecy about travel and write a book (the tool who made possible Pain's Epiphany). And that was a fact since the very moment we meet Jiraiya, he was a writter and he was a wanderer. It was a solid plot. It wasn't the best plot for a character in the history of the manga, but it was solid, more solid than any plot in Bleach. Don't forget that this is a "shounen for kids". It doesn't mean to be a train wreck like Bleach, but in Naruto's case, i think that is not that bad. Quote:
A comic relief as the joke about armadillo's penis now seems weird, but if you read naruto's first chapter, you can read several of this kind of jokes, but... we were younger and we must face that we changed what we like a what not. Kishi must deals with a 10 year old manga and certain target... but he is not as good at that as Oda. Kubo on the other hand, had a serious trouble with bleach.
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2010-10-17, 12:51 | Link #117 |
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I don't understand all the complaints about Naruto being stupid, it is quite clear that Kishimoto will not change the recipe of success in shonen manga. Naruto has to stay Naruto until the end, his basic personality and character will not change. Just like Jiraiya didn't change that much, even when he was fighting Pain and he soon had to die still Kishimoto made his final funny moments when he tries to look cool but the 2 elder toads kick him in the face
We are buying this manga because we expect Naruto to be like that, and Sakura to belike that, etc. For 10 years it worked very well, so it won't be changed suddenly. BTW it seems that Naruto is evolving quite simlarily to DB/DBZ: - the kage level now is becoming basic level, like SSJ level became basic in DBZ - more and more people are being somehow resurrected from the dead, even if Kishimoto will not make this thing free as it was in DB - more and more fighters can fly now, even Sasuke got his bird summon, so i wonder if Naruto will soon be able to fly - seems like the old characters of part one are being completely left behind in power level, here it's the former genins like in DB were Krillin, Chaozu, etc. - Madara is becoming quite simlar to Cell, the way he is being engineered from the cells of Shodaime, using Nagato for the eyes, the countless Uchiha sharingan eyes being used, just like Cell was constructed from the collected cells of the strongest fighters |
2010-10-17, 14:48 | Link #120 |
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Let me clarify, I don't hate Naruto, I hate what Kishi's done to it. I still read Naruto because it used to be a good and solid series and because as long as I'm on the train already I may as well see where it ends. And hey, it's just fun to rag on how utterly stupid it's become.
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