Fairy Tail Anime Episode Discussion Thread [Episode 165 and Onward]

[FlareKnight]

The end to that fight.....sucked! I mean the flashback was nice and it was good to get more insights into Mira. It was interesting seeing how she developed. Though it now makes the early Mira we saw in flashbacks....completely random. Where the heck did that badass with attitude come from? Mira started out quiet and nice, randomly became this crazy girl with attitude, and then back to nice and quiet.

Elfman getting the win? Elfman!? Mira's big win in this was basically sending up a bat signal to call out her brother to attack? That's it? Where the heck is S-Class Mira who supposedly for years was a rival to Erza? She get lost?

The rest of the episode outside the conclusion was good. Mira's past was an emotional ride and the end with Lucy being stuck in a nightmare by herself has value to it. Kind of reminds me how she's constantly being used as the show's punching bag, but for once...she might actually have to just stand her ground. No one else is out there to help.

[immblueversion]

Well then, call me a guy with bad taste for things that suck, because I was never bothered by Elfman getting the final hit. It was satisfying to see him pound Seilah into the ground after everything she made him do, and I see nothing out of the ordinary for a fighter who specializes in raw, superhuman physical strength to take down a demon with a blow to the head. I still see it as Mira's victory, even though it wasn't a straightforward win, because she was still the one that summoned him. If Elfman came out of nowhere, then I'd probably be peeved at how contrived it would have been.

[ginger02]

Originally Posted by B214

Mira went from quiet > wild > smiling/caring.

The pig take over doesn't seem useful though. Except maybe lunch for some wild beasts.

I'm excited to see what her next personality is

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by immblueversion

Well then, call me a guy with bad taste for things that suck, because I was never bothered by Elfman getting the final hit. It was satisfying to see him pound Seilah into the ground after everything she made him do, and I see nothing out of the ordinary for a fighter who specializes in raw, superhuman physical strength to take down a demon with a blow to the head. I still see it as Mira's victory, even though it wasn't a straightforward win, because she was still the one that summoned him. If Elfman came out of nowhere, then I'd probably be peeved at how contrived it would have been.

I still think it's pretty contrived. To get there to get that hit so quickly Elfman basically had to be right there. So his original positioning was still remarkably convenient.

This turned into Elfman's redemption, not Mira's fight. Not a fight I was overly invested in, but definitely leaves a bad taste. At best this is Fairy Tail's victory. I wouldn't give the win to anyone that was actually in that room.

[Krono]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I still think it's pretty contrived. To get there to get that hit so quickly Elfman basically had to be right there. So his original positioning was still remarkably convenient.

That they were able to meet up with Warren and the others so quickly afterwards says that members of Fairy Tail were pretty close, so I don't find it all that out there. Still, it's pretty much one of those "mileage varies" things.

Anyways, I wonder how many anime only viewers were confused by the flashback in this episode. Way back in the Phantom Lord arc, when showing Natsu's memories of the guild, which doubled as a flashback to Natsu joining the guild, they included an anime original bit with the Strauss siblings, which suggested to the anime only viewers that Natsu joined after the Strauss trio. Now ~220 episodes later, we get the flashback to the three siblings joining, and Natsu's already a member of the guild like he's supposed to be.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Krono

That they were able to meet up with Warren and the others so quickly afterwards says that members of Fairy Tail were pretty close, so I don't find it all that out there. Still, it's pretty much one of those "mileage varies" things.

Anyways, I wonder how many anime only viewers were confused by the flashback in this episode. Way back in the Phantom Lord arc, when showing Natsu's memories of the guild, which doubled as a flashback to Natsu joining the guild, they included an anime original bit with the Strauss siblings, which suggested to the anime only viewers that Natsu joined after the Strauss trio. Now ~220 episodes later, we get the flashback to the three siblings joining, and Natsu's already a member of the guild like he's supposed to be.

well cronologic speak natsu joined after gray, if i'm not wrong the order was erza>gray>natsu.
well according fairy tail wikia timeline indeed natsu joined before the strauss sibilins
http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

November X766 Jude Heartfilia and Layla Heartfilia leave Love & Lucky due to pregnancy.
X767 Juvia Lockser is born.
Lisanna is born.
Levy McGarden is born.
Sherry Blendy is born.
Max Alors is born.
Zoldeo performed an unknown taboo, and is fused with Caprico.
Lucy Heartfilia is born to Jude Heartfilia and Layla Heartfilia.
Risley Law is born.
X768 Vijeeter Ecor is born.
Eve Tearm is born.
Orga Nanagear is born.
Kagura Mikazuchi is born[11]
Millianna is born.
70's X770 Araña Webb is born.
X772 Wendy Marvell is born.
Cornelia dies.
Cana joins Fairy Tail to be with her father.
Sting Eucliffe is born.
Rogue Cheney is born.
Rufus Lore is born.
X773 Yukino Agria is born.
X774 Gray's family is killed by Deliora and he is taken in by Ur.[12]
Ur sacrifices herself to seal Deliora.
Gray joins Fairy Tail.
X775 Beth Vanderwood is born.
X776 Sherria Blendy is born.[13]
Erza escapes the Tower of Heaven and joins Fairy Tail.[14]
X777 Layla dies of an unknown illness.[15]
July 7, X777 Dragons disappear from the eye of modern society being viewed as "Fairy Tale" creatures from hence forth.
Natsu Dragneel, Gajeel Redfox, and Wendy Marvell's Dragon parents leave them.
Natsu is found by Makarov and invited to join Fairy Tail.[14]
Mystogan left Edolas through an Anima portal and enters Earth Land
X778 Mirajane, Elfman, and Lisanna's parents die and they join Fairy Tail.[14]
Queen Shagotte sends unborn Exceeds from Edolas to Earth Land.
Happy is born from an egg hatched by Natsu Dragneel and Lisanna.[16]
Carla is born from an egg hatched by Wendy Marvell.
Laxus Dreyar becomes an S-Class Mage.[17]
Romeo Conbolt is born.[18]
Lector is born.[19]
X779 Hero of Rubengard, San Jiao Shin leads an anti-government rebellion, but was kidnapped by Zoldeo.[20]
80's X780 Charm Magic is outlawed[21]
Erza Scarlet becomes an S-Class Mage.[17]
X781 The Alvarez Empire attempts to invade Ishgar in order to capture Lumen Histoire, but is stopped by Etherion.[22]
Gildarts Clive leaves for the 100-year mission.
Loke disobeys Karen Lilica, and the latter is killed by Angel. Loke is unable to return to the Celestial World.
Moon Drip Ritual is started.[23]
Mirajane becomes an S-Class Mage.[17]
X782 Lisanna is sent to Edolas after she presumably died.
Mystogan becomes an S-Class Mage.[17]

[Krono]

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

well cronologic speak natsu joined after gray, if i'm not wrong the order was erza>gray>natsu.
well according fairy tail wikia timeline indeed natsu joined before the strauss sibilins

The order is:

Cana
Gray
Erza
Natsu
Strauss siblings

However you seem to have missed my point. Back in episode 27 as the first guild hall collapsed, they showed a bunch of flashbacks to the main characters as kids at the guild, starting with Natsu arriving at the guild, eventually getting to audio of Natsu agreeing to join to the guild. In between was a flashback that included Natsu interacting with Mirajane, Elfman, Lisanna, Gray, and Erza, and the script of him agreeing to join the guild referenced that flashback. In short, anyone watching just the anime would see the episode, and reasonably conclude that Natsu was the last of the main characters to join the guild.

Now 220 episodes later, we have the flashback of Mirajane, Elfman, and Lisanna arriving at the guild for the first time, and Natsu is already there.

[QSTraderDG86]

Welp, it's basically a pain train from here on out until Avatar Arc.

Also, I wonder what the filler arc will be like this time (if there is one). Maybe it'll give us some individual character episodes instead of some silly random villain (Daphne, ugh, Zentopia, meh, Eclipse, meh).

Also, one thing I wonder about the FT guild...how the heck has it not taken in a single leech/mooch/abuser of its kindness & hospitality considering its propensity to take in the lowest of the low? EG Erza was alone and ragged when she arrived. Gray? Same deal. Strauss siblings? Yep. Gajeel? Uh-huh. How have there been absolutely no bad eggs whatsoever, aside from Hades after he stepped down from *Master*?

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by QSTraderDG86

Welp, it's basically a pain train from here on out until Avatar Arc.

Also, I wonder what the filler arc will be like this time (if there is one). Maybe it'll give us some individual character episodes instead of some silly random villain (Daphne, ugh, Zentopia, meh, Eclipse, meh).

Also, one thing I wonder about the FT guild...how the heck has it not taken in a single leech/mooch/abuser of its kindness & hospitality considering its propensity to take in the lowest of the low? EG Erza was alone and ragged when she arrived. Gray? Same deal. Strauss siblings? Yep. Gajeel? Uh-huh. How have there been absolutely no bad eggs whatsoever, aside from Hades after he stepped down from *Master*?

It'd be great to see an adaptation of Fairy Tail Zero after the Tartaros arc ends. It gives quite a bit of insight to the story and Mavis's character, after all.

Spoiler for HUGE manga spoilers:

That, and the main manga directly expands upon its plot elements and ending, such as Mavis's first encounter with Zeref, his role in Fairy Tail's birth, and the creation of Lumen Histoire itself.

[Stark700]

Ah and the Celestial Spirit King is summoned but not without a price. Poor Lucy. She is going to miss Aquarius a lot even though they never got along too well D:

Spoiler:

Excited for the next episode.

[Kafriel]

If you didn't feel anything after watching this week's episode, you're probably a robot Very good episode, if I have one complaint, it would be the lack of one-liners before the end.

[thundrakkon]

That was a very emotional ending to the episode. The VA did a fantastic job as well as the anime production team. Well, she has always been one of the most talented VA's there is, if not for all her health issues and "hobbies".

I was wondering how Lucy was going to fight alone, but the Celestial King is the most powerful trump card Lucy has brought out. I'm not going to feel too sad that Aquarius is gone, since Wendy received the same treatment and was back right away.

Speaking of Wendy, I do expect her to show up soon. She can't be out for the rest of the arc.

As for Aquarius, I'm guessing there will be an arc to fix the golden key. This can't be the first time anyone has ever summoned the Celestial King, so golden keys must have been destroyed in the past as well. Which then makes it that they must have been fixed to be where they are today.

[B214]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

As for Aquarius, I'm guessing there will be an arc to fix the golden key. This can't be the first time anyone has ever summoned the Celestial King, so golden keys must have been destroyed in the past as well. Which then makes it that they must have been fixed to be where they are today.

Except the Golden Keys were scattered in the past, judging from Aquarius's talk, it seems like summoning the Celestial Spirit King requires someone that can summon at least 3 Golden Keys spirit, so Lucy might just be the first person to summon the CSK. Well lets just wait and see.

[Kafriel]

Well, the requirements are rather hard to meet:

1) Having a golden key to destroy in the first place, so 13 people maximum, in the entire world.

2) Having enough magic power to summon 3 major zodiac spirits at once; the hardest part of the equation, IIRC Lucy has unlocked 2nd origin and her magic was enough to summon (for an instant) all of the celestial spirits she owned.

3) Having formed a strong bond with the celestial spirit whose key is to be destroyed. Not that everyone's like Karen, but Lucy takes friendship to another level when it comes to her spirits.

As a final hurdle, after the Zentopia incident, there are few celestial wizards left in the world; I would assume that forging a key for the ecliptic zodiac would require some knowledge or form of celestial spirit magic. Of course, all kinds of magic can simply be learned in FT, but due to its nature (keys, contracts, etc.) it would probably be considered bothersome.

Still, there are many ways to recover a key (Ultear's time warp would be handy, although it's lost magic) so it's not out of the question to eventually recover it somehow.

P.S: Note how Lucy holding Aquarius' key was actually included in the previous OP. Talk about early spoilers

[FlareKnight]

The episode was pretty darn emotional and it was great. Just a very impactful episode. Lucy giving her all in that crazy fight, summoning as many spirits as she could muster and then having to make the toughest choice she ever has. It was either Aquarius's key or basically everyone she knows. Sometimes there just isn't a perfect and safe choice. She did what she had to and had the courage to do so. Could have froze up and lost everything by default.

Of course rationally...you start to think this isn't the biggest thing. I mean how many times has the main cast gone to the realm of the celestial spirits? A couple at least? So.....can't Lucy see Aquarius again regardless? Just make a trip. I mean sure there is the time differential thing, but it can be done.

Still it was a great episode. At the time you don't think about possibilities, just what is happening. The tough choice by Aquarius, the heart-rending decision that Lucy had to make, and the grand save by the Spirit King. He is ready to lend his old friend some help.

[QSTraderDG86]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

If you didn't feel anything after watching this week's episode, you're probably a robot Very good episode, if I have one complaint, it would be the lack of one-liners before the end.

Well, I read the manga, and there's always the logical plot holes:

Has nobody summoned the king before Lucy? I mean there used to be tons of celestial wizards, so...who the heck were they summoning? Just little grunt spirits like Angel's little sentry robot, or silver spirits that can't fight worth a damn? Would seem that it'd be a pretty useless magic in most cases. So, haven't keys been fixed/reforged before?

Also, can't Lucy just take a trip to the spirit world, and ask for another key, or at the least, go and give Aquarius a hug?

Because currently, if none of the above is true in terms of fixing keys, then the only alternative is that Lucy is unprecedented in her mastery of celestial magic compared to any other celestial wizard in the history of Fairy Tail's world. Which...seems absurdly silly considering that prior to the Tartaros arc, we had that episode that said it was 413 since Juvia met Gray, and the Phantom Lord arc was one of the first arcs in all of FT, which would mean that in a year and change, Lucy went from happy-go-lucky amateur without a guild to most absurdly powerful celestial wizard in history.

So...where's the hole in logic here?

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by QSTraderDG86

Well, I read the manga, and there's always the logical plot holes:

Has nobody summoned the king before Lucy? I mean there used to be tons of celestial wizards, so...who the heck were they summoning? Just little grunt spirits like Angel's little sentry robot, or silver spirits that can't fight worth a damn? Would seem that it'd be a pretty useless magic in most cases. So, haven't keys been fixed/reforged before?

Also, can't Lucy just take a trip to the spirit world, and ask for another key, or at the least, go and give Aquarius a hug?

Because currently, if none of the above is true in terms of fixing keys, then the only alternative is that Lucy is unprecedented in her mastery of celestial magic compared to any other celestial wizard in the history of Fairy Tail's world. Which...seems absurdly silly considering that prior to the Tartaros arc, we had that episode that said it was 413 since Juvia met Gray, and the Phantom Lord arc was one of the first arcs in all of FT, which would mean that in a year and change, Lucy went from happy-go-lucky amateur without a guild to most absurdly powerful celestial wizard in history.

So...where's the hole in logic here?

Layla might have don the Celestial King Summoning before Lucy, which is the reason why Aquarius knows that something like that is possible.

After all we don't much about Layla's achievements, but considering the fact that she had ... at least three Golden Keys I assume that she was a pretty powerful Celestial Spirit Mage.

As for the other topic, honestly only the author knows what happens after a Golden Zodiac Key is broken ... but considering the fact that there are only 12 Golden Zodiac Keys ... in the entire FT world, I doubt that the process of rebuilding them is an easy task ... it probably takes more time then a normal human lifespan to do that.

As for visiting the Celestial World ... I don't believe that's something that can be done frequently considering the time distortion that occurs during that journey.

It also might be possible that the Celestial Spirit whose key has been broken is weakened, and needs to rest in some 'special place' until their key is rebuilt.

After all, we haven't got a lot of details about what are the repercussions of summoning the Celestial Spirit King..

[Krono]

Visiting the Celestial Spirit world isn't like taking a walk across town. The series has been there all of twice. Once in anime filler when the Celestial Spirit world was in a crisis, with all normal rules suspended. Once in the manga (and therefore the anime) when Lucy and company got an unprecedented invitation.

Visiting the CS world again would likely require another invitation from the CS King. While he's a generally nice guy, that's kind of unlikely to be forthcoming.

[Kafriel]

Originally Posted by QSTraderDG86

Well, I read the manga, and there's always the logical plot holes:

Has nobody summoned the king before Lucy? I mean there used to be tons of celestial wizards, so...who the heck were they summoning? Just little grunt spirits like Angel's little sentry robot, or silver spirits that can't fight worth a damn? Would seem that it'd be a pretty useless magic in most cases. So, haven't keys been fixed/reforged before?

Also, can't Lucy just take a trip to the spirit world, and ask for another key, or at the least, go and give Aquarius a hug?

Because currently, if none of the above is true in terms of fixing keys, then the only alternative is that Lucy is unprecedented in her mastery of celestial magic compared to any other celestial wizard in the history of Fairy Tail's world. Which...seems absurdly silly considering that prior to the Tartaros arc, we had that episode that said it was 413 since Juvia met Gray, and the Phantom Lord arc was one of the first arcs in all of FT, which would mean that in a year and change, Lucy went from happy-go-lucky amateur without a guild to most absurdly powerful celestial wizard in history.

So...where's the hole in logic here?

For the first question, there are numerous silver spirits, whose keys can be forged and sold for a price (if you remember way back in episode 1 when Lucy bought Plue's key). So yes, most celestial spirit mages used silver spirits for their tasks, which can be more than fighting (Crux for information, Lyra for entertainment, Pyxis for orientation, horologium for protection, Plue for...a decoy? and so on).

The part about Lucy going from zero to hero is actually true, having so many golden keys is INSANE, they are indeed rare and if you backtrack a bit: she inherited cancer and aquarius from her mother, she got Virgo from Everlue, Sagittarius from Galuna island, she went through hell for Loke's key, later on she got Scorpio, Aries and Gemini from Angel and after beating Zoldeo, she got Capricorn's key.

So, let's see: Heartfilia legacy, demon island, filthy rich man, a member of the Oracion Seis (dark guild and part of the Bahram alliance) and a member of Grimoire Heart (idem). Not quite the approachable bunch, the only one I'm missing is Taurus...but I think she started out with him too? Anyway, she's the first celestial spirit mage to have more than four of them golden keys, let alone ten.

The series has been there all of twice. Once in anime filler when the Celestial Spirit world was in a crisis, with all normal rules suspended. Once in the manga (and therefore the anime) when Lucy and company got an unprecedented invitation.

There was also the case of Natsu going through along with gorilla Virgo, although IIRC that trip should have been very harmful to his body.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

For the first question, there are numerous silver spirits, whose keys can be forged and sold for a price (if you remember way back in episode 1 when Lucy bought Plue's key). So yes, most celestial spirit mages used silver spirits for their tasks, which can be more than fighting (Crux for information, Lyra for entertainment, Pyxis for orientation, horologium for protection, Plue for...a decoy? and so on).

The part about Lucy going from zero to hero is actually true, having so many golden keys is INSANE, they are indeed rare and if you backtrack a bit: she inherited cancer and aquarius from her mother, she got Virgo from Everlue, Sagittarius from Galuna island, she went through hell for Loke's key, later on she got Scorpio, Aries and Gemini from Angel and after beating Zoldeo, she got Capricorn's key.

So, let's see: Heartfilia legacy, demon island, filthy rich man, a member of the Oracion Seis (dark guild and part of the Bahram alliance) and a member of Grimoire Heart (idem). Not quite the approachable bunch, the only one I'm missing is Taurus...but I think she started out with him too? Anyway, she's the first celestial spirit mage to have more than four of them golden keys, let alone ten.


There was also the case of Natsu going through along with gorilla Virgo, although IIRC that trip should have been very harmful to his body.

well if i remember right in anime we have a little filler flashback where lucy get the power to close the doors by herself when she was trying to close taurus gate in the galuna island, this flashback show which she meet taurus in a some sort of cow meadow or something like that, was more like a normal meet and he give her his key since he liked her "nice body" saiko!!".
here the pictury

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