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As I stated earlier, as an idea, the tank destroyer doctine is not entire without merit. Most of the fighting done by tank units isn't against enemy tanks, and it's a lot better to use your non-tank forces to defeat the enemy tanks that show up. This is a lesson that pretty much every other army learned as well. Tanks are used to create breakthroughs and to exploit them. Enemy tanks are to be defeated by anti-tank guns, artillery, inexpensive tank destroyers, and through maneuver warfare. Where the ideas of tank destroyer doctrine don't pan outis that it was primarily a defensive doctrine at a time when the U.S. was on the strategic offensive, and that everyone else had also realized that every tank unit needs some of anti-tank ability. It doesn't need to be a lot, but you need something to deal with the odd Panther that shows up. Quote:
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See, whenever I look at a design, the primary question I want answered about it is "Is this useful?" And prototypes don't really provide an answer. For example, the early Centurions had a coaxial 20mm cannon. If it had only existed as a prototype, would we think it was a good idea or not? Quote:
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2012-11-17, 17:22 | Link #1323 | |
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Much has been said about the Comet and Centurion, and how people said they were designs that could possibly swing everything in the favour of the British on a tank-to-tank basis, but both of them descended from the lineage that started with the Cavalier/Centaur/Cromwell. In fact, while it can be argued that post-WWII British tanks like the Chieftain is all-new, they are built off the lineage that started with the Cavalier/Centaur/Cromwell. |
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2012-11-17, 18:01 | Link #1325 | |
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Just because prototypes never go into combat doesn't make them less interesting. The history of the prototypes themselves, the design decisions that went into them, why they thought said decisions were good at the time, and the potential capabilities said prototypes and pilot designs might have brought into the field have they gone into service is what makes them interesting to me. Reading about the development histories of tanks like the T95 Medium Tank or the MBT-70 is no less interesting to me than reading about the combat abilities of the M1 Abrams in combat. And just because I want to remember why this discussion began in the first place, what's the harm of seeing prototype designs in a show like Girls Und Panzer? This is a setting where tanks go all out against each other in battles without having to consider stuff like strategic logistical concerns or combined arms doctrine. No air power, no infantry, no politics, just tanks vs tanks. There's a reason this show is rightfully known as "World Of Tanks: The Anime". Finally, so we don't forget the "Girls" in Girls Und Panzer, have a Yukari
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2012-11-17, 19:28 | Link #1327 |
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Sure, let me know size and whatnot and I can change just the logo or whatnot. Up to you... here's what I got atm.
(40mm pom pom going pon poko pon pon on me...) and a spoof.
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2012-11-17, 21:59 | Link #1329 | |
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2012-11-17, 23:43 | Link #1330 | |
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2012-11-18, 00:53 | Link #1333 | |
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For the E-50, while it was by all intents a simplified version of the Panther, there are plans to adopt even more advanced technologies along with the fact that the Germans were in no shape to push another design into production. In the end, some of the points raised by 4Tran is quite valid, but at the end of the day someone needs to do the testing to iron out the kinks. The T26E4 example is one of them, and we know how it went for the lineage. The entire subject is too subjective, because everyone will have their take on what happens and clearly it is influenced by priorities of that time. |
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2012-11-18, 03:29 | Link #1337 |
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I fail to see how a bit of pantsu would hurt this show.
Even though it seems to be working right now, I think a bit of exposure might not be such a bad thing, as long as they don't overdo it and end up making a Strike Witches clone. Plus, it might help those frustrated animator to relieve themselves of some stress. I'm sure I would enjoy this show either way.
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