Guilty Crown - General Discussion

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Flawnalyst

For me, it's not the cliches and pandering that I hate. Otherwise, I'd hate Boku Wa Tomodachi, which does the same thing. It's just that this show executes them so straight and so poorly that it really brings the show down. It's like they made a checklist of things they wanted to put in their anime, but couldn't figure out a creative way to use them.

100% completely agree. Boku Wa Tomodachi makes light of the otaku pandering cliches and plays them for genuine laughs. This show is totally trying to play them straight and arguably shouldn't even be using them at all. That's the difference here for sure.

[Elestia]

Nothing too much happening story wise and the character development between Inori and Shu was awkward, although the character interaction between Ayase and Shu was handled much better. Having Shu not overreact to Inori's rejection also made him slightly more appealing to me, usually those kinds of situations wind up having the protagonist go into angst driven depression and do something real stupid. Instead, Shu actually is quite mature in handling his emotions and recognizes that he himself is just a teenager who does not understand how the world really works. Despite being hurt he has not activated the pen just yet, so he's still carrying some doubts in his mind.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Flawnalyst

It didn't help that I saw the gag coming a mile away, and it wasn't funny.

I don't think it was intended as a gag. I thought it was an attempt to make Ayase seem stronger and more badass, probably to help compensate for how she can seem a bit weak towards Gai.

I agree, but I think we have different definitions of average anime male lead.

Well, all I was referring to there is the density level of your average anime male lead. Your average anime male lead doesn't pick up on romantic hints that well, and needs things to be laid out pretty explicitly to him before he gets it.

The word I'd probably use for your average anime male lead is "clumsy", both in word and action. At least that's how your average anime male lead starts, imo.

Why does she feel anything towards that jackass? They barely had any meaningful interactions. I'm hoping some theories I heard on the Internet concerning Inori are true.

I think Guilty Crown has given us a lot of hints that Inori is not a normal human being. The closest I think she could be to that is a fast-aging clone of somebody Gai was close to, given what Gai said about Inori in this episode.

She may have been a clone trained to be a terrorist her entire life, which could help to explain her excellent marksmanship and athletic ability.

Or she may be an artificial being of some sort, such as an android. Or she could be a cyborg.

Again, the one thing I don't think she is, is a normal human being. Just too many hints surrounding her that goes totally against that, imo.

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Of course it's hard to say with Shu since he said himself that he tries to say what he thinks people want to hear and might have been more about not inconveniencing Ayase with bothering to train him.

Good point. I think that's definitely a factor. Shu didn't want to be an inconvenience to Ayase, and was searching for a pretext to get out of being one to her. Unfortunately, he settled on a clumsy pretext without giving enough thought to how disrespectful it would come across.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

I wouldn't expect the plot points in Guilty Crown to start making sense all of a sudden.

I thought my explaination of this issue was sufficient. If you disagree with it, please give me your thoughts.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Well, considering how advance the Undertakers are with technology, attaching a tracking beacon would be detected right away, since a tracking beacon sends out a continuous signal. It would have been quite dumb of Segai if he did that, which, luckily, he is quite intelligent.

I mean, if the Undertakers knew that he was willingly taking in a tracking device, it will blow Shu's cover as well. It will create distrust towards him, and they would destroy the tracking device right away.

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I thought my explaination of this issue was sufficient. If you disagree with it, please give me your thoughts.

I had pointed out earlier that a transmitter doesn't have to be transmitting at all times. If it only sent out a signal every day or so, then it would be just as undetected as it is now. Besides, it's not as if the terrorists took any precautions to find possible tracking devices.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

PS:I'm hoping and waiting for the episode where Shu gets Tsugumi's and/or Ayase's Voids. And the beach episode with all of the females as well.

Tsugumi's void is probably a gigantic frying pan or washboar- *gets hacked to death by an iPad*

[Chase]

Can't say a lot at the moment. As far as development for some of the characters, this was a pretty good episode. Ayase fan base grew by the thousands in one episode.lol. Yeah she was definitely the highlight of the episode for me. Gai's sickness, Shu gets rejected(tho you can tell she has some feeling for Shu) and dat ending. Seriously tho, death ray in my Guilty Crown?lol

Overall: I actually liked this episode a lot. 8.5/10

[tsunade666]

The deathray weapon was played to early. I bet in the next episode they are planning to take it down but if it's already down then what other massive weapon will the GHQ bring forth? and why do they even need a satellite weapon if they are there to cure the citizens of apocalypse virus.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

The deathray weapon was played to early. I bet in the next episode they are planning to take it down but if it's already down then what other massive weapon will the GHQ bring forth? and why do they even need a satellite weapon if they are there to cure the citizens of apocalypse virus.

Well, in real life, the United States has nuclear weapons. Does that mean that the United States can't also play a key role in emergency disaster relief in foreign nations?

That being said, I doubt that GHQ is there simply to cure the Japanese citizens of the apocalypse virus. There are almost certainly ulterior motives at play, imo.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

I had pointed out earlier that a transmitter doesn't have to be transmitting at all times. If it only sent out a signal every day or so, then it would be just as undetected as it is now. Besides, it's not as if the terrorists took any precautions to find possible tracking devices.

Just because we do not see them take precautions does not mean that it was not done. It seems like Tsugumi is always looking out for things, so it would not be a far stretch to assume security is one of them.

As for a tracking device that sends a signal once a day, that would not be reliable, since the location can differ at any given moment. Also, as soon as the tracking device transmit, it will probably be detected and discovered. A more useful tracking device sends a signal every 15 minutes, but even 1 hour is fine. A once a day tracking device is too unreliable to use.

As some have pointed out earlier, the pen is most likely the target trigger for the Leucocyte (love these biological terms they use) to blow them up. Segai did mention that it will exact the "appropriate punishment punishment on them." If it was a targeting device, the Undertakers will not have enough time to evacuate, and hence, would be destroyed immediately and effectively.

Which brings up another interesting point. Why did the Leucocyte target Gai's position at the end of the episode? What could have caused them to target there? Is it possible that they discovered the trigger in the pen, took it out of the pen, and had it detonate at that location?

[mechalord]

The flashback/flashforward kind of give away the plot... if I'm right.

I think were looking at Inori and Shu having a Shiro/Ganta relationship (Deadman Wonderland)

BIG CLUES:
- the flashback in the first episode... why did all those things appear in Shu's mind?
- Shu's mother is a scientist who never visits!
- Inori's Void gives Shu too many powers compared to the Void of others. She gives him the sword, super strength, super speed, super reflexes, invulnerability.
- Inori seems to go straight to Shu's hideout and waits. . . waits for him. She's not really hiding. She seems to be waiting. The people who arrest her just let Shu go even through she is wanted for stealing something she didn't have on her. The troops are real hardasses who shoot civilians when they are in places they shouldn't be. Shu was in a condemned building with a fugitive.


Theories:

- Inori is a clone/reincarnation.

- The clone of the entity that killed Gai's wife!

- Shu has amnesia. He's not really who he thinks he is. His mother is not his mother.

- Gai stole Inori clone to use as a weapon

- Gai is terminally ill. Inori treats him 3 times a month with a blood transfusion. Cancer? Virus? Who knows? He's dying. That's why he's always in a rush. Inori probably gives him some of her super blood and that's why he can see Voids.

- He doesn't want the rest to see him weak or to know that he's dying. Some think Inori and Gai sleep together but they lock themselves in a room for his blood filtering/transfusion.

- Inori lied about Gai telling her to seduce Shu because she wants to fight for the cause. She feels guilty about what her original self did to Japan and Gai.

- Gai hates Inori, hates looking at her. Seeing her, he sees nothing but Armageddon and DEATH!


As for the space laser, Gai survived that. Like he's gonna die offscreen, please. He was long gone when that hit.

[thundrakkon]

Another point about the death ray weapon. It is called the Leukocyte, which is the white blood cells in our bodies. The purpose of the white blood cells is to get rid of foreign invaders in the body, usually infections. Hence, the purpose of the Leukocyte is to get rid of the "infections", much the same way as the Antibodies do.

Quite twisted and fun in how they come up with these names. At least they are consistent.

[Guardian Enzo]

I enjoyed Kyou's "Live long and prosper" gesture...

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Just because we do not see them take precautions does not mean that it was not done. It seems like Tsugumi is always looking out for things, so it would not be a far stretch to assume security is one of them.

Sure it's a stretch. If the terrorists were vigilant, not a single thing from the prison would have made it to the terrorists' hideout. Not the prisoners' shoes, not their clothing, and certainly not a heavy pen.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Just because we do not see them take As for a tracking device that sends a signal once a day, that would not be reliable, since the location can differ at any given moment. Also, as soon as the tracking device transmit, it will probably be detected and discovered. A more useful tracking device sends a signal every 15 minutes, but even 1 hour is fine. A once a day tracking device is too unreliable to use.

How is it any worse than just going off whenever Shu decides to set it off? In any case, I'm just giving an example of how the transmitter could have been set to work. I'm sure that you can think up of lots of different ways that would circumvent any detection.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Which brings up another interesting point. Why did the Leucocyte target Gai's position at the end of the episode? What could have caused them to target there? Is it possible that they discovered the trigger in the pen, took it out of the pen, and had it detonate at that location?

Gai wasn't the target. I'm pretty certain that the weapon was meant to kill the people on the planes (humanitarian workers?).

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

Sure it's a stretch. If the terrorists were vigilant, not a single thing from the prison would have made it to the terrorists' hideout. Not the prisoners' shoes, not their clothing, and certainly not a heavy pen.

He was stripped nude, so I'm sure that was a security precaution. Why they kept the pen? Probably because they originally did not realized that it belonged to him, since Ayase found it lying around. Later, he admitted that it was important to him, so they did not get rid of it.

Originally Posted by 4Tran

How is it any worse than just going off whenever Shu decides to set it off? In any case, I'm just giving an example of how the transmitter could have been set to work. I'm sure that you can think up of lots of different ways that would circumvent any detection.

Well, as a targeting device, it will only go off once it is activated, which at that point, the Undertakers would probably detect it as well. However, by then, the Antibodies would have taken action, whatever that may be. The targeting device is not as easily detected, if it is not giving off a signal.

Even by today's standard, in any spy movie, they always scan for tracking devices. Hence, it would not be too effective an object to use in the future, when technology is more advanced.

The series made very good logical sense when it came to not using a tracking device. As for the choice of using a targeting device pen, well, that could be up to debate for more advance technology gizmo they could have used.

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

He was stripped nude, so I'm sure that was a security precaution.

I'm pretty sure you're supposed to take that kind of precaution before returning to the secret hideout. Seriously, this isn't a very good point to defend - it's almost as bad as Gai's plan.

[Sides]

Originally Posted by mechalord

Theories:

- Inori is a clone/reincarnation.

- The clone of the entity that killed Gai's wife!

- Shu has amnesia. He's not really who he thinks he is. His mother is not his mother.

- Gai stole Inori clone to use as a weapon

- Gai is terminally ill. Inori treats him 3 times a month with a blood transfusion. Cancer? Virus? Who knows? He's dying. That's why he's always in a rush. Inori probably gives him some of her super blood and that's why he can see Voids.

- He doesn't want the rest to see him weak or to know that he's dying. Some think Inori and Gai sleep together but they lock themselves in a room for his blood filtering/transfusion.

- Inori lied about Gai telling her to seduce Shu because she wants to fight for the cause. She feels guilty about what her original self did to Japan and Gai.

- Gai hates Inori, hates looking at her. Seeing her, he sees nothing but Armageddon and DEATH!


As for the space laser, Gai survived that. Like he's gonna die offscreen, please. He was long gone when that hit.

This is what i think:
Shu and Gai were friends as children. Gai looks older than he actually is due to some condition.
Inori is a clone of a dead girl Shu and Gai once knew, or is just a stray modified to look like her.
Alternatively they are all three of them are clones of dead people, whereas Gai and Inori are a defective one, and Shu is success.

[Mercurius.H]

These Antibodies and Leukocyte terminologies are quite hilarious because in real life biology antibodies are produced by a certain type of leukocytes, namely B cells. So actually Antibodies should be subordinate to Leukocyte, or at the same level of order at most.

Writer of GC should've made up a more general/upper term for Antibodies, like for example a clever backronym for I.M.M.U.N.E

[Znail]

Originally Posted by mechalord

- The clone of the entity that killed Gai's wife!

Ok, Gai is 17 years old. Just when did he have time to get married, have his wife killed, grow a clone and on his spare time recruit a terrorist organisation?

[SoFarGone]

ShuxAyase > ShuxInori