2013-03-19, 08:33 | Link #741 | |||
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He told Chihaya he was no longer interested in that same episode but later on when he talks to Harada Sensei we learn the crux of the reason "No matter how long I play I will never be as good as Arata". Initially he joined the team and continued playing only because of his feelings for Chihaya but I don't think Chihaya is the only thing that matters to him about karuta. Quote:
Even though Taichi still didn't completely understand, he was happy when he got a card and blushed when Arata praised him. Chihaya is a part of karuta for Taichi but it is only one part. So I don't agree that Sumire and Taichi are exactly the same. Sumire had no interest in karuta when she joined. Although to Sumire's credit despite her claims she still has no interest I think it is obvious that she now does beyond Taichi. Because a character not interested in Karuta well that doesn't work in Chihayafuru. Quote:
I don't think that is the same as loving or not loving karuta though. And I actually think Taichi does love karuta because it is something he has to put effort into. I think this is important to Taichi. I guess my main issue is the idea that only Taichi is outside Karuta in the series and he is different from everyone else. I think certainly Taichi has more growth and development when it comes to karuta and he doesn't understand everything but to say only Taichi is outside and everyone is inside, well no I don't agree.
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2013-03-19, 11:17 | Link #742 | |||
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Taichi does have a card or a pair of cards associated with him, after all. Thank you for the reminders! Suetsugu fits Taichi into the world of the poems, as a lover whose love cannot be hidden. I still maintain, though, that we don't know that Taichi loves karuta. Wondering just what it means to "love" karuta in the first place, I thought Arya's comments were extremely illuminating: Quote:
As yet, Taichi is not in this state of flow, and so as yet, he does not love karuta, and as yet, he remains outside karuta. ---- Blaat, Nishida expresses his love for karuta in episode 8, where he notices just how much Chihaya likes to play, and connects her feeling to what he himself had felt when he was young. As far as I know, Nishida doesn't have a card associated with him. ---- This week's title poem is #87. Here is Mostow's translation: " While the raindrops of the passing shower have not yet dried from " near the leaves of the evergreens, the mist is already rising, on this evening in autumn. This is a beautiful, descriptive poem, that perfectly captures the rain, the season, and the time of day in which this episode takes place.
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2013-03-19, 12:20 | Link #743 | |
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In fact I don't think you are just doing a disservice to Taichi here with this assessment but all the characters. You are basically saying only Taichi has room to grow to love Karuta but everyone else is fully there and have no room for character growth. Taichi has personal flaws he has to overcome which do affect his karuta but so do the other characters. For example I will be interested to see where the story takes Komano who seems to have given up being better than the others and instead wants to guide the team through his analytics (but is this truly the best course for him. Can he still not grow as a player?) Has Komano fully embraced everything about karuta either? And this is just one example.
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2013-03-19, 12:44 | Link #744 | ||
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This is true only if you assume character growth is only along the axis of increasing love for karuta. But that is your assumption, not mine. As you point out, it's untrue, but that is not my mistake.
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2013-03-19, 13:46 | Link #745 | |||
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Different characters bring different skills, have different reasons for playing, and have different reasons for being inspired by karuta. But you are not just saying Taichi is different but that ONLY he is not connected to karuta like everyone else. That everyone else loves and understands karuta except Taichi. Quote:
I don't assume increasing love is the only way to show character growth but this series is about karuta. Karuta is the way the manga-ka is developing her characters through understanding, love, and growth as players. Again I think you are putting two little credence on when Taichi says "I want to be someone who doesn't run away". Karuta gives him that chance. To me he doesn't need to say the words "I love karuta". Karuta is important to Taichi because it helps him grow into the person he wants to be. It's karuta that gave him that chance. However maybe he has not said those exact words because he is still working on getting there. I don't know what the final message for Taichi (or any of the characters will be) but I think karuta is an important part of all of them.
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2013-03-19, 18:11 | Link #746 |
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...ppear-in-manga
It's now over US$1,000 so it's a bit rich for my blood.
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2013-03-19, 19:08 | Link #748 | |
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I...wouldn't try, can't afford that at present! But that is insane!
----- On the Taichi debate... My word...deja vu or what! Personally, my view hasn't changed much since back then: what Taichi wants to do with karuta, what the game means to him, still isn't clearly defined. In that sense, I agree with hyperborealis. But on the other hand, he has moved slightly in the direction of 'playing karuta for himself', and I expect he will keep moving in this direction as the show goes on. Kirarakim, I am getting the same impression as I was last year: that your defense of Taichi borders on being ultra-positive, ignoring certain aspects of his struggle. That's not to say that the others don't have their own struggles, but each of them is different. I would argue that whilst Chihaya's struggle, as we see it now, is predominantly about trying to reach Shinobu and Arata's level, Taichi's is largely about how he is connected to karuta, what karuta means to him. It definitely doesn't mean the same thing to him as it does to Chihaya and Arata. 'Love' is quite an easy word to throw around, but what does that actually mean vis-a-vis karuta in Taichi's case? Quote:
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2013-03-19, 21:50 | Link #749 | |||
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Taichi wasn't being compared to Arata and Chihaya in this case he was being compared to everyone in the series. That only Taichi does not love karuta and is outside it. This is what I had an issue with. Do I think Taichi has the same passion for karuta as Arata & Chihaya (well no, at least not at this point in the story). But I do think karuta is important to Taichi and it is not just because he is in love with Chihaya. Nor do I think Taichi is the only one who doesn't get karuta. Yes there are certain things about karuta, Taichi still doesn't get. But he isn't the only one still learning these things. Quote:
However his flaws are definitely made worse than they are by some people here so if I respond in an ultra positive way it is because of that. To be fair I don't think Hyperborealis was bashing Taichi or dislikes Taichi at all. But I did think the interpretation had an overly negative context and that is what I was responding to. I don't think Hyperborealis saw it as negative but I do. The idea that Taichi is outside karuta doesn't just separate him from Chihaya and Arata but from all the other characters in the series and I don't believe that is what the manga-ka is trying to say with his character. Quote:
Admittedly I could be wrong here and maybe Komano made the right decision and it will be interesting to see what Nishida says next week.
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2013-03-20, 01:34 | Link #750 | |||
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I'm not denying he continued afterwards (or what motivated him to continue playing), but you disagreed that he started to play karuta (only?) because of Chihaya, which I believe he did. When you consider that Taichi ostracised Arata from the entire classmates he had little reason to associate himself with Arata, other than because Chihaya kept associating herself with him. Just to note, I'm not holding this against him (starting because of Chihaya), because Chihaya started because of Arata. Quote:
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But what I believe is that he originally thought he could play casually (which I maintain is like Sumire, except that he changed his tune really quickly). To be fair (because it's starting to turn back into a Taichi bashing thread ), none of Chihaya's current happiness could have been possible without Taichi. In many ways, his "outside" experience (regardless of whether it's true or not) is the reason why the team is functional. |
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In other words, the kind of love for karuta that hyperborealis is talking about is the very specific kind of loving karuta for its own sake. Quote:
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One of the big similarities between Nishida and Taichi is that they bother prefer the competitive aspect of the game as revealed during the first episode of the second season (Taichi wanted focus on the Mejin/Queen qualifiers and Nishida on the highschool tournament). Is that the message, if you only like competitive karuta you don't love it?
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2013-03-20, 08:42 | Link #754 | |||||
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As for what you said about Taichi starting to play as a child because of Chihaya bringing him into the game well that might be true. Actually I think both Chihaya and Arata inspired Taichi to start playing karuta, but it was Chihaya who brought Taichi to Arata. It was Chihaya who started the friendship between the 3 of them. However I think it is important to note that Taichi did continue to play karuta in middle school. I am not sure how much time he put into it (certainly not as much as Chihaya) but it was a choice he made to play karuta even then and it seems the only reason he stopped was that inferiority complex of his. So I think when people say that Taichi only started to play karuta because he was in love with Chihaya is slighly false, it's more that he started to become serious about it because of his love for Chihaya but I think there was an interest always there. Quote:
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I am also not saying that it is not significant that Taichi has not said those words yet but it is not because he doesn't love karuta and it isn't a part of him but because he doesn't fully realize it himself. So hence I actually agree with what you wrote below: Quote:
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2013-03-22, 16:13 | Link #755 |
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The bromance was strong in this one.
Solid episode, it had some genuine funny moments (Sudo holding the banner and Chihaya using all her will power in accepting going as second in the line up). Anyway I can't believe we're already in semi-final but hopefully it looks like we're finally going to have a serious tense multi episode spanning caruta match. Also am I the only one who wants to see a Desktomu as Sherlock Holmes and Nishida as Watson omake? Or fan art. Desktomu's deduction reasoning is rather impressive.
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2013-03-22, 16:29 | Link #757 |
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Good episode for two characters who haven't been in the spotlight as much. All the little notes that appear around characters this episode were also pretty funny.("Empress's jacket of love ) Sumire's notes end up being sorta useful (as I thought) though probably not as useful as Tsutomu's hard-core analysis of every possible flaw and pattern in each player's playstyle. Chihaya should definitely have a hard time against Megumu and it's probably gonna end up being another close match.
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2013-03-22, 16:51 | Link #759 |
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Great episode putting emphasis on the bond between the second years. The end of the previous episode was very misleading. Nishida actually wanted Tsutomu to play more than anything else. It pained him to see him relegated to a supporting role and he was afraid he'd get stuck in it and lose his drive to play.
That said, Tsutomi is truly amazing at gathering intel and analyzing it, so he definitely shouldn't give that up entirely. His advices proved to be very useful in this week's match. Chihaya displayed some growth in this episode. She managed to restrain her desire to play against a strong opponent in order to improve the team's chances of victory. In the end, she still got what she wanted thanks to Taichi, but her gesture was appreciated. Next week, her skills will truly be put to the test for the first time in this tournament. It will be tough to beat Megumu. PS: pouting Kana was super cute. I've always loved those little notes. I'm grateful they kept them in the anime adaptation.
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