Fate/ Series Q&A

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Levani

Why is he even there? Did he know about Sakura's condition? He also visited the Matou household in UBW right? What's his motive?

He recognized her as another potential Grail vessel, but not the true Vessel like Ilya was, and because she was lesser, a "fake", if you will, he suggested to her that she should kill herself. It was a suggestion rather than a command, and he said it because he figured it'd result in some form of entertainment regardless of the situation.

So, basically, because Sakura's a fake Grail and because Gilgamesh is an asshole.

[Lorhand]

Originally Posted by Levani

What are Sakura and Gilgamesh talking about it in the prologue? I always wondered...

Spoiler:

The thing that never felt fear ran away from the person.
Golden hair and red eyes.
The person that has the same smell as me.
The golden Servant that…



"You should die now, girl. You will not be able to die if you become familiar with it."
…Warned me before to kill myself.

It's from Heaven's Feel.

Rising Dragon pretty much gave the answer already, but I'll just quote CM 3:

Q: Prior to the start of the Holy Grail War, what was Gilgamesh doing around Sakura’s house? Sakura said he was asking directions, did he come to identify “the other Grail” - Sakura?

A: Yes. He came to tell Sakura to “Go die right now”. It was a suggestion rather than a command. Regardless of the situation, from the King’s perspective, this matter will develop into some sort of entertainment. As a result, what Gilgamesh said was not a command. Sakura’s reply “It was English” was a convenient excuse to hide the truth.

[Levani]

Can someone remind me why exactly was Archer alive during Shirou VS Gilgamesh fight? Avalon?

Oh and when does the BD2 for UFO UBW come out?

[GDB]

Spoiler for Response to Levani:

He stated he didn't have Avalon during his fight with Shirou. If I recall, he just managed to slip away with 1hp and was biding his time, even though it was presented in a way that would make you think he died as a Servant and came back as a Counter Guardian.

I believe the second set comes out October 7th or sometime around then.

[Lorhand]

Originally Posted by Levani

Spoiler for UBW:

Can someone remind me why exactly was Archer alive during Shirou VS Gilgamesh fight? Avalon?

Oh and when does the BD2 for UFO UBW come out?

Plot armor.

Jokes aside, Nasu says it's because of Independent Action, because apparently Independent Action has an additional Battle Continuation effect. I personally think that is just a lame excuse, but whatever.

Spoiler for CM3 Entry (UBW):

Originally Posted by CM3

Independent Action: B

Normally if a Servant loses his Master, he will disappear within hours if he cannot replenish the mana required to remain in this world. The amount of time each Heroic Spirit has before disappearing varies, but Emiya can remain in this world for 2 days due to Rank B Independent Action. However, this is the ideal value achieved by maximally conserving mana and avoiding battle and Noble Phantasm usage.

In UBW route, Emiya’s Master switched from Rin to Medea, and after Medea’s death, he continued to operate independently and battled Emiya Shirou. Through all these events, one is able to recognise Emiya’s ability to survive alone. In addition, even if Emiya’s spiritual core sustained lethal damage, he can still survive for a short period. This ability is the reason why Emiya is able to secretly observe Shirou and gang’s battle as a spiritual body after being defeated by Shirou. In addition, after the battle between Shirou and Gilgamesh had concluded at Ryuudou Temple, Emiya appeared in front of Gilgamesh as he attempted to pull Shirou into the darkness. He shot an arrow between the eyes of Gilgamesh and sent him alone into the darkness. The arrow shot at that time was a regular arrow, and from the fact that Emiya gradually began to disappear after this attack, this is probably the limit of Emiya’s materialisation.

[Tenzen12]

Rider seems to be quite capable magus, does anyone knows her specialisation and skills? Boundary fields?

[Rising Dragon]

Given the mention of the bounded field, I'm assuming you're talking about Fate/stay night's Rider. In which case...

No. She's not a magus at all, but a former Earth Goddess who became a monster. She possesses Mystic Eyes of Petrification and the ability to use a specialized bounded field, but those are tied to her monster heritage, rather than being able to utilize magecraft.

[Lorhand]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Given the mention of the bounded field, I'm assuming you're talking about Fate/stay night's Rider. In which case...

No. She's not a magus at all, but a former Earth Goddess who became a monster. She possesses Mystic Eyes of Petrification and the ability to use a specialized bounded field, but those are tied to her monster heritage, rather than being able to utilize magecraft.

That's only partially correct. Rider is skilled in magecraft and also Sakura's teacher in hollow ataraxia.

[Tenzen12]

Exactly that's why I asked

[Lorhand]

We don't really have much info about Rider's capabilities in magic, except for this...

Originally Posted by CM3

Magic Resistance: B

Rank B Magic Resistance easily nullifies thaumaturgy of three counts or lower. It is also difficult to damage Medusa with even high thaumaturgy and grand rituals. Moreover, Medusa herself is skilled in thaumaturgy, so she has countless ways to counter enemy spells. In other words, Medusa is excellent at fighting magi.

...And the fact, that two of her Noble Phantasms, Breaker Gorgon and Bloodfort Andromeda, are boundary field thaumaturgy. That's pretty much it.

[Dengar]

I was under the impression that she can use magecraft, but she's not actually a magus.

[Levani]

Fuyuki had enough power to summon the Grail, which is why Einzberns contacted the Tohsakas, right? Or did Einzberns create this power that would be able to summon the Grail?

[GDB]

Pretty sure it was Fuyuki's leylines that allow it to do what it does.

[TwilightsCall]

Theoretically, any place with similar quality leylines would be able to do it, but as far as I'm aware there's no in depth description of exactly how good a place Fuyuki is. I mean, it's obviously not that great a place for everyone (ie the Matous), but to handle something of the scale of the HGW, it obviously has to be a place of pretty significant value.

That being said, I don't think we know exactly why the Tohsakas were involved with the Einzberns. I'm sure anyone else with land of similar quality would have sufficed.

[Nayrael]

Originally Posted by TwilightsCall

That being said, I don't think we know exactly why the Tohsakas were involved with the Einzberns. I'm sure anyone else with land of similar quality would have sufficed.

From what I remember, they chose to contact Tohsakas because the MA and the Holy Church did not have much influence over Japan, not to mention that in those times these two factions were in a bloody war which would be a problem. But Japan was more or less free of those conflicts not to mention that Tohsakas are, even if part of the MA, on friendly terms with the Holy Church and those two connections made it all the safer.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by TwilightsCall

Theoretically, any place with similar quality leylines would be able to do it, but as far as I'm aware there's no in depth description of exactly how good a place Fuyuki is. I mean, it's obviously not that great a place for everyone (ie the Matous), but to handle something of the scale of the HGW, it obviously has to be a place of pretty significant value.

That being said, I don't think we know exactly why the Tohsakas were involved with the Einzberns. I'm sure anyone else with land of similar quality would have sufficed.

It's quite possible that the only other place(s) with similar quality leylines were controlled by the Magi Association. And considering the first "war" was just the three families, it seems like they wanted to keep it as inclusive as possible.

[Levani]

Originally Posted by GDB

It's quite possible that the only other place(s) with similar quality leylines were controlled by the Magi Association. And considering the first "war" was just the three families, it seems like they wanted to keep it as inclusive as possible.

I just watched the F/Z OVAs with Iri explaining things, you're right. Mage's Association is controlling every leyline except for Japan.

[RDNexus]

I've come to this topic to simply ask this one question?
Was there any chance for a single story where all elements of the game's three routes could happen in sequence and within the same space-time?
Does any of you think Kinoko could manage such a feat?

[Rising Dragon]

Very unlikely, and not without butchering the themes addressed of the protagonist in each route, particularly in concerns to his ideals, given that the first route reveals them, and the second route challenges them. Either of them will not work well given how his ideals are handled in the third route.

Meshing the events together would be possible, though routes 1 and 2 would have an easier time of it. Route 3 would be trickier, as it is just far too different from the others, though I don't think it's impossible. But when it comes to the themes and development of the various characters... I don't think anyone's really come up with a successful way to reconcile the three routes together with that in mind.

[RDNexus]

Could you explain that a bit more in depth, if possible?