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Kairin · 2015-05-16, 06:34

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Levani · 2015-05-16, 06:39

Last week's episode was a bit underwhelming, let's hope that this one kicks ass

Stark700 · 2015-05-16, 11:31

I liked the buildup tbh especially with

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Moekou · 2015-05-16, 11:35

Ugh, once again they more or less skipped Shirou's point of view in favor of Saber and Kotomine flashbacks. Yes, he doesn't have much dialogue in this scene, but much of the scene is driven by his thoughts. To just omit that really weakens the whole point of this climax.

Key Board · 2015-05-16, 12:52

Archer confirmed for killing Roman Royal Guards, Middle East Jihadist, African Drug Lords, and..not sure what the last one is

Levani · 2015-05-16, 13:07

Oh my god, that was fucking amazing.

Jaden · 2015-05-16, 13:14

Well this did put some perspective into things. So Shirou's final wish was to stop a nuclear disaster...

And while countless universes exist, the number of guardians is so limited (or is Archer unique?) that they can never keep up with the villains. A pointless existence indeed.

jzmagic · 2015-05-16, 13:19

Entire episode dedicated to exposition.

ChronoReverse · 2015-05-16, 13:20

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Originally Posted by Jaden

Well this did put some perspective into things. So Shirou's final wish was to stop a nuclear disaster...

And while countless universes exist, the number of guardians is so limited (or is Archer unique?) that they can never keep up with the villains. A pointless existence indeed.

When I think about it, you're right that the number of guardians must be limited.

Archer is peak culmination of all the timeline Shirous (hence his ideal). But if it's an infinite universe, there'd be a woefully infinitesimal number of guardians to deal with all the crap if a guardian condenses the infinite into one.

Damn, talk about worst afterlife ever.

Nayrael · 2015-05-16, 13:26

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Originally Posted by Moekou

Ugh, once again they more or less skipped Shirou's point of view in favor of Saber and Kotomine flashbacks. Yes, he doesn't have much dialogue in this scene, but much of the scene is driven by his thoughts. To just omit that really weakens the whole point of this climax.

It would look terribly out of place in an Anime. Even Nasu agrees that Shirou's monologues are undesirable.

Unlike the VN, the Anime needs to send a message visually... and I don't think that any on Anime Only watchers will have trouble guessing most of his thoughts.

Saber's flashback is necessary, especially since Fate storyline was not given to the watcher. The parallel between Saber and Archer is required, especially to motivate Saber to give up on her own wish... not to mention that it makes Saber staying behind rather than saving her Master look better.
And even if it were not necessary, it is neat to have parallels.

ShadowSamurai365 · 2015-05-16, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Nayrael

It would look terribly out of place in an Anime. Even Nasu agrees that Shirou's monologues are undesirable.

Unlike the VN, the Anime needs to send a message visually... and I don't think that any on Anime Only watchers will have trouble guessing most of his thoughts.

Saber's flashback is necessary, especially since Fate storyline was not given to the watcher. The parallel between Saber and Archer is required, especially to motivate Saber to give up on her own wish... not to mention that it makes Saber staying behind rather than saving her Master look better.
And even if it were not necessary, it is neat to have parallels.

Truth be told, I felt like that Archer himself was the best advice/evidence to Saber when it concerns her own wish in the VN.

Levani · 2015-05-16, 13:36

Was Rin blowing up like this in the VN? I don't remember.

blackcloud6 · 2015-05-16, 13:37

oh yeah.....is the one that saber killed in the hill mordred? The person got the same hair and the helm plus similar sword

Levani · 2015-05-16, 13:38

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oh yeah.....is the one that saber killed in the hill mordred? The person got the same hair and the helm plus similar sword

Yup, it was Mordred. I was hoping we'd see her face but...

Key Board · 2015-05-16, 13:48

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Originally Posted by blackcloud6

oh yeah.....is the one that saber killed in the hill mordred? The person got the same hair and the helm plus similar sword

It's mordred

http://imgur.com/rqWIzNA

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Clarent

and the sword that was dropped seems to Clarent

Top Sergeant · 2015-05-16, 15:06

Rin's rant was AWESOME! "A eunuch like you should be tangled in a bed of thorns!"

Ultragunner · 2015-05-16, 15:09

^ LOL haha

I cannot believe that I haven't noticed this

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Rising Dragon · 2015-05-16, 15:10

That's because Urobuchi was actually pretty unoriginal when he wrote Fate/zero. A LOT of details in the novel were practically copied from the VN, and some of his initial plans would've made it a lot more obvious.

Moekou · 2015-05-16, 15:34

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Originally Posted by Ultragunner

^ LOL haha

I cannot believe that I haven't noticed this

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Don't forget they were both Irish!

Ultragunner · 2015-05-16, 16:00

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Originally Posted by Moekou

Don't forget they were both Irish!

Oh dear, I forgot about about that too

Geeze, Natsu, do u have something against heroes who wield lance/spear and happened to be Irish?

LOL

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Kairin AnimeSuki's Mascot Join Date: Apr 2006	F/SN UBW TV - Episode 19 Spoiler Discussion / Poll Welcome to the spoiler discussion thread for F/SN UBW TV, Episode 19. Thread Guidelines Raw requests and offers are not permitted anywhere on this forum. All spoilers are allowed in this thread; spoiler tags are not required Discuss your expectations of the episode if it has not aired yet. Be polite to your fellow forum members. Please try to keep the discussion on-topic. Character bashing is not on-topic and will not be tolerated. Do not post multiple times in a row. Please edit your existing post if you wish to add additional thoughts.

2015-05-16, 11:31	Link #3
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	I liked the buildup tbh especially with Spoiler: Archer's revelation this week. And oh my Lancer.... __________________

2015-05-16, 12:52	Link #5
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	Archer confirmed for killing Roman Royal Guards, Middle East Jihadist, African Drug Lords, and..not sure what the last one is __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2015-05-16, 13:14	Link #7
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Well this did put some perspective into things. So Shirou's final wish was to stop a nuclear disaster... And while countless universes exist, the number of guardians is so limited (or is Archer unique?) that they can never keep up with the villains. A pointless existence indeed. __________________

2015-05-16, 06:39	Link #2
Levani 貴方が私のマスターか？ Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Georgia, Tbilisi	Last week's episode was a bit underwhelming, let's hope that this one kicks ass

2015-05-16, 11:35	Link #4
Moekou Stardust is Delicious~! Join Date: Nov 2011	Ugh, once again they more or less skipped Shirou's point of view in favor of Saber and Kotomine flashbacks. Yes, he doesn't have much dialogue in this scene, but much of the scene is driven by his thoughts. To just omit that really weakens the whole point of this climax.

2015-05-16, 13:07	Link #6
Levani 貴方が私のマスターか？ Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Georgia, Tbilisi	Oh my god, that was fucking amazing.

2015-05-16, 13:19	Link #8
jzmagic flargansbog Join Date: Mar 2006	Entire episode dedicated to exposition.

2015-05-16, 13:36	Link #12
Levani 貴方が私のマスターか？ Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Georgia, Tbilisi	Was Rin blowing up like this in the VN? I don't remember.

2015-05-16, 13:37	Link #13
blackcloud6 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2014	oh yeah.....is the one that saber killed in the hill mordred? The person got the same hair and the helm plus similar sword

2015-05-16, 15:06	Link #16
Top Sergeant Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: By that dark and bloody river called Ohio. Age: 59	Rin's rant was AWESOME! "A eunuch like you should be tangled in a bed of thorns!" __________________ The sword that takes life gives life. -Japanese proverb

2015-05-16, 15:09	Link #17
Ultragunner Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	^ LOL haha I cannot believe that I haven't noticed this Spoiler for : both Lancers we know - in Zero and UBW - committed suicide due to the command spell oh dear I feel so sorry for their class haha __________________

2015-05-16, 15:10	Link #18
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	That's because Urobuchi was actually pretty unoriginal when he wrote Fate/zero. A LOT of details in the novel were practically copied from the VN, and some of his initial plans would've made it a lot more obvious. __________________