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2012-01-28, 15:53 | Link #19243 |
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Anh, visit Japan some time. Trust me, it's nothing like France.
Disregarding the farmlands in the country side, the ENTIRE Japan is like this. And by walking distance I mean 10-15 min. Akihabara has two stations for example, on both ends of the street. Umeda underground arcade stretches across like.... four stations. I really don't think you realize just how major train is in the travel system in Japan. There are literally thousands of experts who will tell you nowhere else in the entire world is like Japan when it comes to rail system. I'm seriously baffled that you don't know this. The commute time insanity of Japanese rails where you feel like a rice in a bowl. Because of the massive population of the entire city is crammed into these trains, which arrive at the stations every 3-5 minutes. I mean, they're frigging INFAMOUS around the world. Do just like five minute research and you'll find a million stories telling you how unique it is... And bus and train is a totally different entity.
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2012-01-28, 21:31 | Link #19245 |
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In 2010 Shonen Jump had a weekly circulation of 2.8 million. in 1995 Shonen Jump had a weekly circulation of 6.5 million(this was Shonen Jump's peak). Like print media everywhere, Manga magazines have seen losses in circulation, it's been declining over the last 15 years, for a variety of reasons. I'd love to see an estimate of the combined circulation of all the manga magazines over the last 15 years. I'd say they're not too rosy for the publishers though. So no, Japan is not unique in this respect. Like everywhere their print media is declining. As far as I know, the only print media I'm aware of that haven't seen declines in sales is Chick lit and romantic novels. It's amazing that a genre that only really came into existence in the 70s now holds over 50% of the book market. Last edited by DonQuigleone; 2012-01-28 at 21:44. |
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Nevertheless, Japan's print media market is certainly unique in many other respects. So, yes, I agree with aohige. The print media in Japan is not directly comparable with those in the West. There is a mix of consumer loyalty and trust, tight-knit business-social relationships and economic/business structures that make the industry more resilient than those elsewhere. |
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2012-01-29, 01:35 | Link #19248 | |
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Also, while English-language news is widely and freely available online, the same is not quite true for Japanese-language news. It's a "niche" market, in a sense, as only Japanese news media would bother covering news — in Japanese — for this market. So, I would think that Japanese consumers do not have as many "free" online alternatives as do English-language news consumers. |
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2012-01-29, 04:14 | Link #19250 |
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IAEA team heads to Iran to seek nuclear answers
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...80R0EF20120128 To be honest, it's not much likely to change anything.
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2012-01-29, 07:43 | Link #19252 | |
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All of the magazines there saw decreases in circulation. I think Japanese print entertainment is doomed long term, unless it switches to a different model. It's also facing demographic problems. Ken akamatsu gave an interesting riff on the manga industry here |
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2012-01-29, 08:42 | Link #19253 |
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From my limited understanding of the manga market, the publications in that graph all target boys and teen males (with some having healthy readerships among girls as well). How much of those trends reflect the low Japanese birth rate? Can part of these declines simply be attributed to the shrinking numbers of readers for shounen publications? By that argument readership of shoujo publications should also be on a downward trend. Do josei/seinen publications show the same declines?
As for the resilience of the JP newspaper market, TinyRedLeaf beat me to the punch. News about Japan in Japanese is a market that's not subject to competition from the online editions of the New York Times or the Guardian.
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2012-01-29, 08:52 | Link #19254 |
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Could I have the source of that graph?
As for the observations about demographic trends, SeijiSensei has already raised the relevant query. I referred to that article about print newspapers because alternative strategies have been mooted for delivering manga content, which I find do not account sufficiently for Japan's unique market and social conditions. Manga and newspapers may be different products, but the strong link between readership habits and print-media sustainablity in Japan should not be cursorily dismissed. Especially in a country where online distribution is not as widespread as in many Western markets. I would think the problem is more due to a shrinking target market (the interesting question would be whether there are simply fewer young eyes, or that Japanese youth are increasingly turning to online sources) than anything the manga industry is doing "wrong", in terms of circulation. |
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That was from Comipress, but the article was dated... more than 4 years ago: http://comipress.com/article/2007/05/06/1923
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The decline of Shonen magazines is likely due to a combination of factors. For one there's the demographic problem, there's just not as many kids as there used to be. Not only that, but those young men and boys that form their core demographic have far more entertainment on hand then they did even 10 years ago. Finally, their core demographic tends to be pretty tech savvy, and so would have all the know how necessary to read manga online or pirate. The precipitous decline that Jump saw in 1996-98 was due to Dragonball and Slam Dunk ending their serialization. Given how invested Jump is in Bleach, Naruto and One Piece now, I don't think the future for Jump is too rosy once those series (inevitably) reach their end. The Akamatsu/Takekuma interview is interesting because it brought some key facts: * The magazines no longer make a profit, they currently make a loss, which is only rectified by paperback (tankoubon) sales. * People are not as interested in the "omnibus" format the magazines ascribe to. They just want to read One Piece/Naruto etc. So they buy the tankoubon and don't bother with the other titles. * All the high selling manga is dominated by titles and artists that are fairly old. There isn't really a next generation of succesful titles to take the place of the likes of One Piece. All this paints a bleak picture for the Manga industry as it is currently. Once the current generation of succesful titles comes to an end, will it be able to keep going? They both thought there's a shift going on away from the major publishers, for instance in the growth of Doujins. But from how they describe it, the (shonen) manga publishing industry is currently stagnating, their system isn't keeping pace with the times. If you look at Shonen Jump alone, it's pretty bleak. What will they do when Naruto/One Piece/Bleach end. All 3 are 10 years old+ now, for comparison, Dragonball lasted 11 years. No series has come out in Jump for the last 10 years that could take any of their places, and no series has really come out since Death Note ended that could shift millions of copies per tankoubon. |
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2012-01-29, 14:02 | Link #19258 |
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And who says this has anything to do with piracy?
If you look at the birth rates in japan, or the total number of young people, the recent part of those curves look almost exactly like the ones for shonen magazines. It might just be, that their target population is shrinking... because it is: http://www.nationmaster.com/country/...-_distribution Keep your eye on the 3rd+4th row from bottom. That's basicly their main target audience and it shrinks from about 9.5m to 6m in just 15 years. How can this not have an impact? Still this does not mean that you can just extrapolate it and reach zero in 5 years. That is just nonsense. |
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If anything, Shonen magazines have done more to chase these peripheral demographics then they used to, but it's still not enough to reverse their sales trends. That's not to say the demographic thing isn't an issue, because it is. You have a large number of shonen magazines competing for the pocket money of a dwindling number of young men, who are also choosing to spend more of their cash on computer games. I don't think Manga is outright doomed (it's still in much better health then American comics), but I think Manga as we know it might be. For one thing, the dominance of the young adult male demographic will probably be broken. I would already say that Shojo manga has better long term health then Shonen, even if individual series sales figures aren't nearly as impressive. Manga is changing into something else, and that puts the old style publishers at great risk of being swept away. |
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