Ore no Imouto - Character Discussion - Kirino

[Korps!]

Originally Posted by Kudryavka

How can anyone possibly like Kirino? She treats her friends like poo, never thanks her bro for the many things he does for her, and then gets everything she wants. Freakin serious?? Its like watching netorare, it makes me so mad. Again, how can anyone sane like her? Is it true she's supposed to be an idealizee otaku?

That would be one of the universe's greatest mystery.

[dreamingsamurai]

Originally Posted by s0beit

No way, she's way worse in the novels. I have to disagree entirely. They lightened it up in the anime for sure.

I kind of have to agree. In some ways, all her barbs seem to feel more personal since we are dealing from within the POV of Kyousuke. We have access to his inner monologue, so we get a clearer picture of his thoughts whenever he goes to sacrifice himself for her sake or when he's physically/verbally attacked.

I'm currently on Vol 3 of the LN (Christmas Eve) and all I could thinking about is how much of a masochist Kyousuke seems to be for putting up with all the psychological abuse even after going above and beyond in helping her. Granted she might be tsundere for him with a closet brother complex that she's subconsciously trying to suppress, but you can only excuse so far before it just feels like a convenient excuse. In some ways it reminds me of a wife who keeps defending her drunken husband no matter how many times he beats her. Just because he only happens to attack her when he's not in full control of himself still doesn't excuse the fact that he attacked her.

I can only hope that this is a case of "the greater the sin, the greater the redemption."

Wow, I didn't expect to write so much. I guess I had alot bottled inside.

[Flying Dagger]

Originally Posted by Korps!

That would be one of the universe's greatest mystery.

Kirino actually cares much for her regular friends (see season 1, Kirino and Ayase).

her otaku friends know and accept the ugly sides of Kirino: as fellow otakus I think they understand Kirino's struggles (but does not mean they like it, but they will forgive her).

As for Kirino/Kyousuke... well, Kyousuke is obviously a siscon

Spoiler for LN:

and they used to be quite close to each other until 3 years ago when the cold war started, so it is not surprising that Kyousuke will go out of his way to do anything for Kirino.

[GVN.Chaos]

Originally Posted by dreamingsamurai

I kind of have to agree. In some ways, all her barbs seem to feel more personal since we are dealing from within the POV of Kyousuke. We have access to his inner monologue, so we get a clearer picture of his thoughts whenever he goes to sacrifice himself for her sake or when he's physically/verbally attacked.

I'm currently on Vol 3 of the LN (Christmas Eve) and all I could thinking about is how much of a masochist Kyousuke seems to be for putting up with all the psychological abuse even after going above and beyond in helping her. Granted she might be tsundere for him with a closet brother complex that she's subconsciously trying to suppress, but you can only excuse so far before it just feels like a convenient excuse. In some ways it reminds me of a wife who keeps defending her drunken husband no matter how many times he beats her. Just because he only happens to attack her when he's not in full control of himself still doesn't excuse the fact that he attacked her.

I can only hope that this is a case of "the greater the sin, the greater the redemption."

Wow, I didn't expect to write so much. I guess I had alot bottled inside.

Sigh.....
You are from the West, aren't you? Because from a Eastern reader's POV, it's not that hard to understand.
1st, Kyousuke is a M - that's for sure
2nd, as a siscon, he subconsciously wanted to make up with Kirino. That's why he did all that.
And 3rd, in a Eastern cultural, it's entire possible to raise the first child to be that protective of their younger sibling. No matter how much they fought, the older one would feel the need to help their younger, at least because of family's responsible.

[finalfury]

Originally Posted by GVN.Chaos

Sigh.....
You are from the West, aren't you? Because from a Eastern reader's POV, it's not that hard to understand.
1st, Kyousuke is a M - that's for sure
2nd, as a siscon, he subconsciously wanted to make up with Kirino. That's why he did all that.
And 3rd, in a Eastern cultural, it's entire possible to raise the first child to be that protective of their younger sibling. No matter how much they fought, the older one would feel the need to help their younger, at least because of family's responsible.

I need volume 11 adapted ASAP. That might be the only thing that can justify her behavior somewhat. Or Volume 8 adapted asap for some epic reactions from someone's fanbase.
more to be added when i get my thoughts organized. prepare for epic analyzations from sherlock holmes. (jk)

[GVN.Chaos]

Originally Posted by finalfury

I need volume 11 adapted ASAP. That might be the only thing that can justify her behavior somewhat. Or Volume 8 adapted asap for some epic reactions from someone's fanbase.
more to be added when i get my thoughts organized. prepare for epic analyzations from sherlock holmes. (jk)

In case you dont know it yet, I'm working solo. 1 volume each month is already my best >.< So please be patient and wait until...uh....July?
And to be honest, I dont see how it could be that hard to understand her behavior. What exactly that you guys fail to understand?

[finalfury]

Originally Posted by GVN.Chaos

In case you dont know it yet, I'm working solo. 1 volume each month is already my best >.< So please be patient and wait until...uh....July?
And to be honest, I dont see how it could be that hard to understand her behavior. What exactly that you guys fail to understand?

I can wait 10 years if that's what it takes to get the translation. I just need anime for two reasons: people nowadays read less (in the US), and pictures speak louder than words. Plus the reactions from the fan base and hearing Nakamura Yuichi, Kana Hanazawa, Ayana Taketatsu, Saori Hayami makes me estatic. Plus I said adaptation, not translation so please do not think that I'm trying to coerce you in a negative way to translate faster.
Edit: Interesting to see slight development from season 1 Kirino and season 2 Kirino. Noticeable differences:
Grabs his hand and drags him through Akihabara for hours too lol.
Gives him an eroge that she didn't play yet and acknowledges that he helped her.
Picks up when he calls her cell.
Takes him to Akihabara instead of Kuroneko and Saori.
Barely hits him and yells at him. Season 1 episode 1 had yelling and hitting(kicking and slapping) in it lol.
More to come later.
Sad that people think Kyousuke is a doormat/dog/slave/servant of Kirino. T.T
Few people are willing to lose their dignity for another person. If you want to something for someone, do you do it expecting a reward, or do you do it because you want to?

[Sound of Azure]

Originally Posted by finalfury

Barely hits him and yells at him. Season 1 episode 1 had yelling and hitting(kicking and slapping) in it lol.

Some would argue any amount of hitting and yelling is too much. It is an improvement, but I think Kyousuke had good reason to feel unsettled.

Originally Posted by finalfury

Sad that people think Kyousuke is a doormat/dog/slave/servant of Kirino. T.T
Few people are willing to lose their dignity for another person. If you want to something for someone, do you do it expecting a reward, or do you do it because you want to?

It is possible to do things altruistically like you say, but the average person considers being treated with the standard amount of courtesy as "normal", not as a "reward".

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Sound of Azure

It is possible to do things altruistically like you say, but the average person considers being treated with the standard amount of courtesy as "normal", not as a "reward".

But if you stop helping someone because they never show you courtesy then you are still treating it as a reward, or an entitlement.

Normal is subjective.

Don't expect anything in return, at all.

That's how you separate the good man from the average.

[Reek of Blood]

Originally Posted by Kudryavka

How can anyone possibly like Kirino? She treats her friends like poo, never thanks her bro for the many things he does for her, and then gets everything she wants. Freakin serious?? Its like watching netorare, it makes me so mad. Again, how can anyone sane like her? Is it true she's supposed to be an idealizee otaku?

Yep. Kirino is 90% perverted bitch, 10% perverted tsundere. You simply have to love bitches to like her. I have no problem with that whatsoever, but I also think liking her is just dumb, wasted thoughts. So you know how I feel about Kyousuke – especially since he basically can have Kuroneko (and Manami) in his back pocket (or front ) if he would just leave that silly bitch to her perverted devices.

This will probably be the last thing I ever speak about her. I nearly dropped this show because of her goddamn annoying attitudes that makes my blood boils so much

[GVN.Chaos]

Originally Posted by Reek of Blood

Yep. Kirino is 90% perverted bitch, 10% perverted tsundere. You simply have to love bitches to like her. I have no problem with that whatsoever, but I also think liking her is just dumb, wasted thoughts. So you know how I feel about Kyousuke – especially since he basically can have Kuroneko (and Manami) in his back pocket (or front ) if he would just leave that silly bitch to her perverted devices.

This will probably be the last thing I ever speak about her. I nearly dropped this show because of her goddamn annoying attitudes that makes my blood boils so much

Sigh......
If you hate her that much, the door is this way. Go out and don't come back here. Seriously, don't use the word 'bitch' so careless.
PS : How about consider that this is partly Kyousuke's fault that she turned out this way?

[Densetsuhakai]

Originally Posted by Reek of Blood

Yep. Kirino is 90% perverted bitch, 10% perverted tsundere. You simply have to love bitches to like her. I have no problem with that whatsoever, but I also think liking her is just dumb, wasted thoughts. So you know how I feel about Kyousuke – especially since he basically can have Kuroneko (and Manami) in his back pocket (or front ) if he would just leave that silly bitch to her perverted devices.

This will probably be the last thing I ever speak about her. I nearly dropped this show because of her goddamn annoying attitudes that makes my blood boils so much

No,it's not dumb to like her.I would probably all over her if she was my cute little sister x3 (No,I am not a masochist...).Everybody have their own taste in woman.Just like my previous speaker said,Just go if you don't liker her.

[ApathyEcstasy]

Originally Posted by GVN.Chaos

In case you dont know it yet, I'm working solo. 1 volume each month is already my best >.< So please be patient and wait until...uh....July?
And to be honest, I dont see how it could be that hard to understand her behavior. What exactly that you guys fail to understand?

I want to thank you for your hard work translating the light novel volumes. I love them so much and it's thanks to you that I can enjoy them. I hope that you can continue up until the very last one. Thank you.

Spoiler for Comparison to the novels:

Contrary to some other posters, I think that the light novel series makes her character much easier to empathize with because it sometimes narrates from her perspective. It is plainly obvious that she is very insecure about her interests, regularly uses her mean side to shield her embarrassed/insecure side, and is actually not a bad person at all.

[relentlessflame]

Yeah, ever since the first anime (which was my starting point), I've always taken Kirino's "bitchiness" as a sign of her insecurity and conflicting feelings. I know that some people feel really strongly that "that doesn't make it okay!" (and if this were real life, clearly it wouldn't), but I was able to relate to her character with that understanding. And those tiny glimpses we got where we saw behind the curtain were that much sweeter because of it.

I can definitely understand why some people have no patience for her... but somehow I was always able to make some sort of sense of everything that was clear to me, even if it wasn't spelled right out in the show proper.

[GVN.Chaos]

Spoiler for Allusions to future novel content:

Good point. Kirino has a lot of thing to proud of, but until Vol 8, the person who she wanted to impress most (Kyousuke) simply paid her no attention. So desprite all of her hard work, she didn't get the praise that she wanted. No wonder she acted this way toward him.