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xl_Legit_lx · 2013-12-20, 14:34

I enjoyed the build up of them finding their mechs. Granted character build up is not so good in shorter episodic animes, but it did make me care more about those certain characters than if they rushed it. The high school antics are a nice tough, but those too could have been lessened, I agree.

~BC~ · 2013-12-20, 15:16

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I also have to say that there is nothing wrong with the 24 episode count, the staff had enough episodes to make the work and use it properly. Could you imagine how much it would have outright improved if they stopped doing high school antics crap after episode 1? If everyone found Valvraves a few episodes earlier? If they cut out useless bits and characters for stuff that mattered? If they built up and foreshadowed properly? If this series was properly structured instead of doing shock value for the sake of shock value? The staff had PLENTY of episodes and time, they simply screwed up titanically (and probably took too many notes from Age).

I agree with quite a bit of this. However, I think the high school angle would always be unavoidable just because it's integral to the whole setting.

Wandering Soul · 2013-12-20, 15:21

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I am going to assume you've never seen Dougram, VOTOMS, Giant Gorg, L-Gaim, Dragonar, Big O, or Gear Fighter Dendoh, all from Sunrise that had none of that either.

Well, VOTOMS sort of had it in OVAs, but that is another story entirely.

I also have to say that there is nothing wrong with the 24 episode count, the staff had enough episodes to make the work and use it properly. Could you imagine how much it would have outright improved if they stopped doing high school antics crap after episode 1? If everyone found Valvraves a few episodes earlier? If they cut out useless bits and characters for stuff that mattered? If they built up and foreshadowed properly? If this series was properly structured instead of doing shock value for the sake of shock value? The staff had PLENTY of episodes and time, they simply screwed up titanically (and probably took too many notes from Age).

That's true but the fact that they are high school students now in charge of a nation is still important. Instead of getting rid of the antics they could have limited them so they did not take too much away from the series.

~~DuelGundam2099~~ · 2013-12-20, 16:16

There was not even a need to make the module a country, they could have just headed to the Moon once detaching from the Dyson Sphere.

Thess · 2013-12-20, 17:02

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There was not even a need to make the module a country, they could have just headed to the Moon once detaching from the Dyson Sphere.

They retake the school. L-Elf and his friends are there right now. It's symbolic, you know, a show of strength so they would be taken seriously.

Key Board · 2013-12-20, 17:10

I'm still wondering about co-existence angle because there's only 3 Kamitsuki left alive. xd

I know there will be more converts later, but I'm curious how

DevilHighDxD · 2013-12-20, 17:19

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I'm still wondering about co-existence angle because there's only 3 Kamitsuki left alive. xd

I know there will be more converts later, but I'm curious how

A asspull, epilogue ending with Satomi and many familiar faces become Kamitsuki and is explained by because it 200 years later.

Black Eye · 2013-12-20, 18:31

damn now that yamada died am concerned about akira... i remember someone mentioning that the pilots that are wearing their valvrave suit in the ending song are gonna die (T-T) first kyuuma now yamada... don't make it end with akira...

Triple_R · 2013-12-20, 18:39

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damn now that yamada died am concerned about akira... i remember someone mentioning that the pilots that are wearing their valvrave suit in the ending song are gonna die (T-T) first kyuuma now yamada... don't make it end with akira...

Combine this with how Cain doesn't have a major protagonist kill under his belt yet, and yeah, I'm a bit worried about Akira...

Thess · 2013-12-20, 19:40

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Combine this with how Cain doesn't have a major protagonist kill under his belt yet, and yeah, I'm a bit worried about Akira...

X-eins is going to try to kill him and there is Haruto.

Key Board · 2013-12-20, 19:51

Let's see what kind of potential military strength they have

Saki's machine is damaged, but functional.
Rune power up soon? if Rune powers are triggered by keywords, maybe something will happen?

Akira's machine will be fighting Q-Vier?
Rune power up?

X-Eins will probably gunning straight for Cain

A-Drei might join X-Eins or assist Saki/Akira

There's also a bunch of Royalist. But they'll probably be fighting the other enemy mobs

LightDragonman · 2013-12-20, 19:55

I wonder if Saki will manifest her rune powers in the next episode, as she is desperately trying to fight the enemies in her damaged unit, thus leading her to unconsciously use them to power Carmilla. Would be quite an awesome moment.

Thess · 2013-12-20, 20:03

She might not have to do that yet. Don't forget those units are controlled by Kriemhild who just got a call from L-Elf.

LightDragonman · 2013-12-20, 20:08

So wonder if she's gonna call off their attack?

Kusaja · 2013-12-20, 20:09

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There was not even a need to make the module a country, they could have just headed to the Moon once detaching from the Dyson Sphere.

There are in-universe reasons for that...but in the end, making the module a country was part of the show's whole concept.

It's unrealistic, yes, but this is an unrealistic series about space vampires. You'd think this would be clear by now.

All things considered, I've enjoyed the second season of Valvrave more than the first and think they have done enough build up to make another series, if they so desired, in order to cover more of the future content and so on, but if they ultimately don't then it's still possible to have a decent season ending. Just probably not a great one.

Key Board · 2013-12-20, 20:40

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She might not have to do that yet. Don't forget those units are controlled by Kriemhild who just got a call from L-Elf.

Yeah, she controls the permission to go into "human" mode
Without that Kirshbaums are nerfed

Hiss13 · 2013-12-20, 21:49

Why do I have the feeling that this is going to end like the final episode of Gundam 00 S1? The way I see it, we're going to have a few more deaths of characters like Shouko and one more major death while the VVV1 vs VVV2 fight ends like the Exia vs GN-Flag fight with the beginning of the Exia vs Alvatore/Alvaaron fight mixed in before a major time-skip and a sequel hook.

GundamZZ · 2013-12-20, 22:48

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damn now that yamada died am concerned about akira... i remember someone mentioning that the pilots that are wearing their valvrave suit in the ending song are gonna die (T-T) first kyuuma now yamada... don't make it end with akira...

In the ending song, Akira is the only person with showing her pilot suit.

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Why do I have the feeling that this is going to end like the final episode of Gundam 00 S1? The way I see it, we're going to have a few more deaths of characters like Shouko and one more major death while the VVV1 vs VVV2 fight ends like the Exia vs GN-Flag fight with the beginning of the Exia vs Alvatore/Alvaaron fight mixed in before a major time-skip and a sequel hook.

It won't be surprising because this types of plot has been there for centuries.
The suikoden and The Hakkenden both tell the story of a team of fighters. Each person has a personal struggle. They eventually join the final fight and loss lives one by one. The surviving people move on while remembering them. In Saint Seiya, the fighter got kicked off the team stays in hospital for months.

black_cat1 · 2013-12-21, 08:48

At the moment, I only want to see the ending of this ss with Shouko finally confess her love and Haruto reply "Who are you?"

amethystjewel · 2013-12-21, 08:55

^ And Haruto would be like, "Let's make memories again together." And they live happily ever after. I rather doubt that would happen considering how brutal this series is. Killing characters that I like one after another isn't good for my heart at all.

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Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	I'm still wondering about co-existence angle because there's only 3 Kamitsuki left alive. xd I know there will be more converts later, but I'm curious how __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

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Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	Let's see what kind of potential military strength they have Saki's machine is damaged, but functional. Rune power up soon? if Rune powers are triggered by keywords, maybe something will happen? Akira's machine will be fighting Q-Vier? Rune power up? X-Eins will probably gunning straight for Cain A-Drei might join X-Eins or assist Saki/Akira There's also a bunch of Royalist. But they'll probably be fighting the other enemy mobs __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

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Thess Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010	She might not have to do that yet. Don't forget those units are controlled by Kriemhild who just got a call from L-Elf. __________________ *"Who* would understand you after I die? Who else would march forward by your side?"**

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Hiss13 No time to sleep, 不幸だ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: The Big Apple Age: 30	Why do I have the feeling that this is going to end like the final episode of Gundam 00 S1? The way I see it, we're going to have a few more deaths of characters like Shouko and one more major death while the VVV1 vs VVV2 fight ends like the Exia vs GN-Flag fight with the beginning of the Exia vs Alvatore/Alvaaron fight mixed in before a major time-skip and a sequel hook. __________________

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amethystjewel Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Sleeping in my bed. -.-	^ And Haruto would be like, "Let's make memories again together." And they live happily ever after. I rather doubt that would happen considering how brutal this series is. Killing characters that I like one after another isn't good for my heart at all. __________________ "You don't understand a thing..... Man's potential for evolution is limitless" Isaac Netero

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xl_Legit_lx Destruction by Carnage Graphic Designer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: NYC Age: 31	I enjoyed the build up of them finding their mechs. Granted character build up is not so good in shorter episodic animes, but it did make me care more about those certain characters than if they rushed it. The high school antics are a nice tough, but those too could have been lessened, I agree.

2013-12-20, 16:16	Link #2244
~~DuelGundam2099~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Feb 2013	There was not even a need to make the module a country, they could have just headed to the Moon once detaching from the Dyson Sphere.

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Black Eye Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 34	damn now that yamada died am concerned about akira... i remember someone mentioning that the pilots that are wearing their valvrave suit in the ending song are gonna die (T-T) first kyuuma now yamada... don't make it end with akira...

2013-12-20, 19:55	Link #2252
LightDragonman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	I wonder if Saki will manifest her rune powers in the next episode, as she is desperately trying to fight the enemies in her damaged unit, thus leading her to unconsciously use them to power Carmilla. Would be quite an awesome moment.

2013-12-20, 20:08	Link #2254
LightDragonman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	So wonder if she's gonna call off their attack?

2013-12-21, 08:48	Link #2259
black_cat1 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	At the moment, I only want to see the ending of this ss with Shouko finally confess her love and Haruto reply "Who are you?"