2010-05-16, 17:57 | Link #9981 | |
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2010-05-16, 18:01 | Link #9982 | ||
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Another little strange thing is Rudolf doesn't state his status at all. Neither do Kumasawa and Gohda both of those two just say 'I am pleased to meet you." Though as you said they are probably just lying. Quote:
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2010-05-16, 18:05 | Link #9983 | |
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Although the other three are a bit different. |
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2010-05-16, 18:07 | Link #9984 | |
Back off, I'm a scientist
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2010-05-16, 18:11 | Link #9985 | |
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After that, the 'corpse' is only seen wrapped in a bloodied sheet, supposedly carried into the parlor as the narration says, and completely forgotten while further scenes in the parlor play out. It's not mentioned ever again.
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2010-05-16, 18:12 | Link #9986 | |
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2010-05-16, 18:16 | Link #9987 | |
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2010-05-16, 18:18 | Link #9988 |
BUY MY BOOK!!!
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Not merely the stake being driven through him; the stake is never seen at all. It's described to Erika as having been found, but neither the object nor Hideyoshi's body are permitted to be examined.
I still think it's not merely probable that Hideyoshi wasn't attacked, but downright impossible that he was. Natsuhi's presence in the closet actually removes it from consideration as a possible hiding place, and while plenty of people are unaccounted for at the time, there's no way they got out before Eva showed up, and Hideyoshi's behavior upon entering the room is just not logical. Making a show of locking the door and vocally checking the windows suggests to me that he knew or suspected someone to be present. The "Who are you?" prompting makes little sense if there can be no Person X; if the killer is among the other 15 people capable of doing it, Hideyoshi should know them. Bar a disguise anyway, but no one in ep5 seemed to be using a disguise, and if they had one, then they had to somehow get rid of it or get out of the room in disguise while the commotion was going on. They could have stashed it in the closet... but Natsuhi was in the closet, and observed no such thing. There just was no other person there, and probably no stake. Or if there was, the people who planted the "bloody" sheet also planted the stake. |
2010-05-16, 18:20 | Link #9989 | |
Back off, I'm a scientist
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...wait. What if she's a character from a book currently in Nanjo's pocket?
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2010-05-16, 18:26 | Link #9990 |
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Nanjo was a popular staker candidate before the Shannontrice focus stole that away from him, mainly because he often wound up staked when killed. Still, if he's the beheading guy, his partial beheading in ep2 becomes somewhat intriguing. I'd like to say someone who kills the killer does so by using their own MO against them, but no one else in ep2 is killed in that fashion besides Kumasawa, who is with him.
Hard to say. Still, we often don't know where Nanjo is at any given time... but there's the small issue of Erika remaining included when Nanjo is also explicitly named. |
2010-05-16, 18:40 | Link #9991 | |
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2010-05-16, 18:57 | Link #9992 |
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I believe the scene suggests he jumped up and faced the door, in which case he should have recognized the person he saw. If he saw anyone.
The whole fake-crying thing is also incredibly suspect. At least one of Eva or Hideyoshi should have known that George was not actually supposed to be dead. |
2010-05-16, 19:00 | Link #9993 | |
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2010-05-16, 19:10 | Link #9994 | ||
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And we don't know what Hideyohsi was crying about. Natsuhi just assumes Hideyoshi is crying over George. But there is other thing strange about this scene. When Hideyoshi enters the room, he first tries to unlock the door thinking it is locked. Why does he have the key? Quote:
Also does Natsuhi or Hideyoshi look under the bed, or in the bathroom? I don't think so; therefore it is possible for the killer to have been hiding there when Natsuhi entered the room. If the killer is in the room, they must know Natsuhi is in the closet. Otherwise that would be imo the first place they would try to hide. Gohda 'claims' no one is in the bathroom, but he could be an accomplice. Afterall no one else looks into the bathroom, besides Gohda. But Hideyoshi having a key bothers me. Since it was said, that Erika went around the mansion openning all the doors. Natsuhi says it would suspicous if a door would suddenly be locked afterwards. So the doors shouldn't be locked, so why does Hideyoshi need to have a key and think the door is locked. If Hideyoshi's death is real, their must be an accomplice amoung the servants. The accomplice suggests Hideyoshi resting in the room Natsuhi is in, therefore creating a crime which will make Natsuhi once again seem guilty of. Though all this is under the assumption that the calls to Natsuhi are real and are the sole work of the culprit and the accomplice, and the others bisides those people don't know about it. Last edited by Laserworm; 2010-05-16 at 19:29. |
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2010-05-16, 19:46 | Link #9995 | |
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For it to be impossible for people to pass by Erika she must have some way of knowing when people go by her. This means she has the abillity to recognize her surroundings. This means she can't be a book, or a corpse, or rose or anything like that. |
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2010-05-16, 19:58 | Link #9996 |
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She can be a person, of course, but she can't be a person specifically stated to be elsewhere. In other words, red about a specific person's location can't permit them to be "Erika" (unless, perhaps, Erika is said to be in the same place), but red about "everyone else" can allow someone not specifically named to go where they will.
This doesn't, to my recollection, work with Nanjo in ep5, as he is spoken of specifically. |
2010-05-16, 20:32 | Link #9997 | ||
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For the first one we have all the adults expect Rosa, plus Shannon and Kanon. For the second one we have only Maria, Rosa, Kyrie, Eva, and Natsuhi. So it would either have to be Eva or Kyrie if Erika remains the same person. Quote:
Erika was in the same place as Nanjo at least until 3AM, for then on where Erika is is unknown, expect that we know she is on the 2nd floor of the guesthouse. Erika could have been with Nanjo the whole night for all we know, in fact the room next to the cousins' room could even be Nanjo's room. |
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2010-05-16, 20:42 | Link #9998 | |
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Hideyoshi didn't recognize the person who killed him in that scene. He should know what everyone looks like. I'm with Jan-poo on the fake death group wearing goat masks.
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2010-05-16, 20:55 | Link #9999 | |
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However, George, Hideyoshi, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in the neighboring room at the time it was sealed. The seal on the window of that room was not confirmed at the time of the logic error. So Hideyoshi and Shannon are possibilities.
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2010-05-17, 01:47 | Link #10000 |
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I maintain that Shannon is Erika in Episode 6. She kills the First Twilight folks, and then Shannon is shown to have shot Kanon. Occam's Razor says one murderer. Plus it makes thematic sense and stuff. AND there'd be good reason for Kanon to be hiding in Battler's room's closet, since if he knew his shooter was in that same room he'd wanna hide. And then he succumbs to his wounds.
What if Shannon was both Erika and Beatrice? That'd be cool. |
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