2012-01-28, 15:37 | Link #4061 | |||||
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That's the reason why Kiritsugu participate in the 4th Holy Grail War, to wish for a way to save everyone because he just want to save everyone but he just can't by his own power. Shirou on the other hand has not reached that point yet but will and become Archer when he is also betrayed by the impossible ideal. There will be time that "saving everyone or as many as he can" and "saving the one he loves" conflict with each other. Quote:
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And Kotomine did not want to destroy the world. He just wanted Angra Manyu to be born so he could obtain his answer that "if there is any worth for a being who born defect (i.e. born evil)." The destroying part of the world is just a by product from Angra Manyu. Quote:
Oh, and the first thought when he found his wife committed suicide was "if she's gonna commit suicide, I should just kill her by myself".
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2012-01-29, 11:58 | Link #4062 | |
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Having said that, there are plenty of occasions in Fate and UBW where Kiritsugu would have acted very differently from Shirou. There's no way he'd have spared Ilya, for one (if you ignore the fact that Ilya is his daughter, I mean...), and he most certainly would have killed Shinji at the first opportunity. Both of them had a significant chance of killing many others if he did not stop them, and in Ilya's case destroying her would have stopped the entire war dead. Whilst HF Shirou is the only one who explicitly protects the ones he loves (and those in his sight) over others, Fate and UBW Shirou do it too, just without really thinking about it. He goes to great lengths to save Ilya in Fate, and does some of the things he does to protect Saber are just plain idiotic if you're thinking of saving as many as you can (after all, it's hard to save people when you're dead). |
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2012-01-30, 16:45 | Link #4064 | |
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The point I'm making is that Shirou always prioritises those in front of him over the faceless masses. If one person is dying in front of him and he has the option of chasing down the culprit (and, thus, preventing them doing it again) or acting to save their life, he'll save the one person every time. He simply can't stand by and ignore someone suffering, even when there is a greater threat to deal with. |
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2012-01-31, 12:06 | Link #4065 | |
Casting a spell on you...
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It honestly just goes to show you what a lack of information and cooperation can actually do, when you compare the other routes. In the other routes, he always had the cooperation and knowledge of the situation from people he could trust. In HF, Rin was dead set on doing her "duty" despite her feelings and wasn't thinking properly the whole time until the *very* end, and Ilya, until she was entirely committed to Shirou, was set on carrying out the ritual no matter what the consequences, and didn't tell them until later the true nature of the Grail War and Avenger. Thus, he couldn't count on his allies totally, as they had separate agendas which ran in direct conflict with his own, and the people who did freely give him information (Zouken and Kotomine) were deliberately misleading and pretty much trying to troll him into making the worst possible choices for their own goals. Ironically, the last two knew the most about the situation. Didn't help that the hero and heroine's minds were being turned into mashed potatoes slowly. So, more than the evolution of Shirou's ideals, I find that the big difference between the routes was the huuuge contrast in the situation and how the characters interacted. |
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2012-03-13, 09:12 | Link #4066 |
Keep on keeping on
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Not sure where to put this, but I'll just leave it here for the moment:
A 10-year Anniversary interview with Nasu Kinoko, Takeuchi Takashi, and Urobuchi Gen from TYPE-MOON Ace 7. |
2012-03-13, 15:42 | Link #4071 | |
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2012-03-13, 15:51 | Link #4073 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2010
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Urobuchi's response to Saber Alter & Saber Lily. Or as Nasu stated "you crazy bastard, you did it again..." and this... Spoiler:
Yeah there's like a one line mention of how his life ends, from Kariya's perspective that is. |
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2012-03-13, 16:15 | Link #4076 |
Bittersweet Distractor
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Man that interview was a lot of fun. IT really puts into perspective some of the aspects of each story. I found Nasu's comments regarding Shirou's and Saber's romance enlightening personally. It was an idealogical romance more so than your typical boy girl one since Saber was more like a boy than a girl, so he had Shirou constantly say things like a girl shoudln't fight to make her more like a girl (So Nasu isn't being chauvinistic just a limited writer! ).
All in all a good read.
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2012-03-13, 16:35 | Link #4077 |
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I liked it. I liked their takes on the girls, especially Urobuchi saying that Rin was a more true heroine than Saber (for the reason Reckoner said above). Also loved Urobuchi's take on Saber Lily, though I don't really get his idea of Saber Alter.
As for the Zero spoilers... it's not really a spoiler as far as I can tell. It's incredibly vague, and knowing that he isn't around in FSN tells you as much as this interview would. At least, I didn't feel like it was a spoiler and I haven't read Zero, so... |
2012-03-13, 17:11 | Link #4079 | |
King of Heroes
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2012-03-13, 17:38 | Link #4080 |
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Age: 33
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You know what? I decided to read it. Yeah it was a bit of spoiler but I don't care. It was totally worth it:
Some funny stuff (No spoilers): Spoiler for space:
Some thoughts (No spoilers also). We all know it but it's pretty much confirmed in this interview that Nasu sees Shirou's relationship with Sakura as genuine love whilst the others were more idealistic romance. It's interesting though that Urobuchi sees differently. Death of the Author at play here, I guess. Nasu's thought about main characters with actual goals from the offset was pretty interesting. I guess the reason they don't usually work nowadays is that we'd find them too pretentious and that's why they're dying. When they were talking about the fanfiction, I couldn't help but think they were pretty tolerant of it. The only other opinion I've seen of fanfiction from an author is Megan Lindholm who absolutely abhors it because she says it's as if they've taken a sweet gesture meant for them and tried to make it better instead. But they obviously don't see it that way. And like Reckoner said, it's nice to have a confirmation that some things Shirou said to Saber were just poorly worded and that the other less than favourable aspects of the story were simply due to it being bishojo game which he even acknowledges as limiting.
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